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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (31175)	11/7/2003 10:43:34 PM
From: laura_bush	Respond to of 89467

Lizzie: the BLS stats are BS. Surely you realize this. The problem is what the hell can we do about it? ? lb

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (31175)	11/8/2003 1:23:46 AM
From: Selectric II	Respond to of 89467

Anybody can immediately see what household "employment" really is- a bunch of unemployed white collar workers who call themselves consultants. Some of the most successful businesses in the world started that way. There's a renaissance happening right under your nose, and all you see is a glass half empty. I'm a little surprised. You're not that old and set in your ways, are you?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (31175)	11/8/2003 11:34:34 AM
From: portage	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

>...but at this point I'd settle for some honesty in the numbers the gov puts out.> LOL. What on earth makes you think these people are ever going to give you that option ?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (31175)	11/9/2003 12:44:31 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Anybody can immediately see what household "employment" really is- a bunch of unemployed white collar workers who call themselves consultants. I think it is mostly Amway and Herbalife pushers. TP

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (31175)	11/9/2003 9:10:55 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

Here is a fantastic column written by The Los Angeles Times columnist Robert Scheer... workingforchange.com <<...But in the very least it is enormously clarifying to have a battle-scarred former general front and center to explain why the president's reckless policies are weakening the nation's security. As Clark put it last week, Bush's "headlong rush to war" resulted in "dire consequences for our security." And I don't care if Clark is a "pure" Democrat, a question that seems to trouble some of his Democratic opponents. Pure Democrats like Lyndon Johnson have also ensnared us in disastrous wars. On domestic issues, Clark demonstrated a commitment to the party's progressive wing Friday, telling the Democratic National Committee, "I want to make one thing clear: I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-affirmative action, I'm pro-environment, pro-education, pro-health care and pro-labor. And if that ain't a Democrat, then I must be at the wrong meeting." But clearly Clark's main strength is in challenging the neoconservative clique that has brainwashed our naive president into a hare-brained scheme of remaking the world into an American empire. In the process, they have declared war, as Clark noted, "against anyone who expresses dissent, questions their facts or challenges their logic." And just as with Vietnam, where Clark was wounded, Iraq is proving to be a quagmire sucking up massive U.S. resources that prevents us from addressing pressing domestic problems: Social Security, health care, education, jobs, violence. Last week, in calling for an "independent, comprehensive investigation into the administration's handling of the intelligence leading to war in Iraq," Clark raised the key issue facing this president. "Nothing could be a more serious violation of public trust than to consciously make a case for war based on false claims," he said. And there you have it -- the basic issue that the Democrats must address in the next election, or it isn't worth having one...>> ______________________________________ Robert Scheer is a national syndicated columnist. He teaches courses on media and politics at USC's Annenberg School for Communication.