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To: DuckTapeSunroof who wrote (490187)	11/10/2003 2:34:04 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

We are apes. Call us what you must, but the objective fact is we are specific creatures partitioned from all others. You cannot breed with any sort of ape, except the particular ape known as “human.” My point therefore stands in the fullest force. And, if an objectively superior creature (or at least a more powerful or 'advanced' one) happened upon the scene... would 'morality' not longer apply to us? No longer be derived from the human context? Be surplanted? Morality obviously refers to human actions in connection with other human, Buddy. We do not blame horses when they intentionally kick us. Neither do we blame apes. But we do blame other humans because we all understand that the human who harms us does so against the nature that he himself shares with us. We are all one thing – and we all know this intuitively. No, no Nihilist. Am Optimist. However you label yourself, the basis of your morality is necessarily not human existence and so there is absolutely nothing else left for you. If your view describes reality, then there is nothing left for all humanity. I reject the false dicotomy... though, it's true, my definition would fall somewhere between your two poles. I would choose to have a moral sense that transcended mere humanity... though as long as we have feet of clay, that might ever remain more goal than reality. Please listen to yourself, Buddy. This is religious hogwash. All of this “transcending” crap is nothing that is objective between us. Humanity is certainly objective. When its logic takes shape in matter is objective. We all know it, share in it. It is fundamentally all that we objectively have. Should you “choose” to transcend it, you do nothing but enter the realm of nonsense – precisely like every other religionist on the globe.