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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (119217)	11/11/2003 1:20:29 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<They have to do with how much you are willing to give up to the society in exchange for the benefits you get from being a member of it. So long as there are valid options available, you can't complain much about penalties for cutting down trees in your home > The point is, there is no choice or freedom. I don't choose to give up to belong. I have to give up, compulsorily, and I belong whether I want to or not. There is no externality other than swimming into the sea and drowning. The average negro slave had a similar freedom. They could just run away and die. Big deal! Valid options? There is no choice. Comply or die! I can't imagine what you mean by 'valid options'. There is no choice. I have no idea what those guys you mentioned said. Socrates sounds stupid if he loved Athens so much he preferred to die because the current bosses decided to do away with him. Hoist by his own petard it seems. A turkey voting in favour of thanksgiving. But I don't know what happened. Most people are so smitten by Stockholm Syndrome, they aren't aware that they lack freedom. They deny it. They are in favour of the repressive system under which they live. Freedom is not a natural human state. It's an unnatural one. Humans have always lived tribally. So thinking outside the tribe is impossible for most people. They can't think outside a box, let alone a circle. As for budgies in a cage, the idea of freedom is not appealing. They climb back inside the cage at the first opportunity. Mqurice