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To: E. T. who wrote (4456)11/12/2003 5:50:53 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 20773
 
E.T. - You are not tired of repeating the same lines, but I am tired of pointing out why it ain't so.

Hint: Look up France's financial gains from Iraq and the trade it was to lose from the US. You will see right away that if money was all France cared for, they would be a devoted second poodle for Bush, alongside Blair.



To: E. T. who wrote (4456)11/12/2003 8:34:48 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 20773
 
It's a fact that Chirac was Saddam's best buddy for decades. Iraq's military was filled entirely with Russian and French equipment from the beginning of the Saddam era to the end. Chirac also sold Saddam two nuclear reactors and tried to sell him weapons grade fuel. Plus the French allied with the Russians and Chinese to protect Saddam from a proposed UN human rights tribunal.

boston.com
JACQUES CHIRAC'S OPPOSITION TO the Bush administration's march to war may have won him the applause of antiwar activists, but others have noted that the French president may have less than principled reasons for his position. After all, France has economic ties to Iraq, and Chirac has millions of Muslim voters to worry about, too. And a photograph which has recently been circulating online offers a mute, though eloquent, J'accuse of its own.
In this 1975 photo, then-Vice President Hussein is seen touring the Cadarache nuclear power station in France, accompanied by a bespectacled Chirac, France's prime minister at the time. Chirac freelanced a deal to sell Saddam two nuclear reactors, and arranged to have French nuclear scientists and engineers train their counterparts in Iraq-most of whom are now on the list of Iraqi scientists and engineers that UN weapons inspectors want to chat with. Not only did Chirac help build Iraq's ''Osirak'' reactor-the Israelis dubbed it ''O-Chirac''-near Baghdad, but he also sought to ship Iraq weapons-grade uranium, even though a safer grade was available. (France's president, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, scotched the plan.) By the end of the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was France's single largest arms customer; Iranians referred to Chirac as ''Shah-Iraq.'' In 1981, Israeli fighter pilots-including a 26-year-old Ilan Ramon, who died last month on the space shuttle Columbia-destroyed the Osirak reactor shortly before it was due to deliver nuclear capacity to Iraq. Chirac, echoing the views of many world leaders at the time, described the Israeli raid as ''unacceptable.''


news.bbc.co.uk
...one of the options was for the UN, some years ago, to set up a UN war crimes tribunal on Iraq. And you know who blocked it? France, Russia and China. And as recently as two years ago the UK and other countries tried to get the UN to set up that tribunal. So France should be reminded of that. Why did they block that? Because I think that would have been an option to war.



To: E. T. who wrote (4456)11/12/2003 8:42:32 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20773
 
Our War With France
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

It's time we Americans came to terms with something: France is not just our annoying ally. It is not just our jealous rival. France is becoming our enemy.
If you add up how France behaved in the run-up to the Iraq war (making it impossible for the Security Council to put a real ultimatum to Saddam Hussein that might have avoided a war), and if you look at how France behaved during the war (when its foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, refused to answer the question of whether he wanted Saddam or America to win in Iraq), and if you watch how France is behaving today (demanding some kind of loopy symbolic transfer of Iraqi sovereignty to some kind of hastily thrown together Iraqi provisional government, with the rest of Iraq's transition to democracy to be overseen more by a divided U.N. than by America), then there is only one conclusion one can draw: France wants America to fail in Iraq.
France wants America to sink in a quagmire there in the crazy hope that a weakened U.S. will pave the way for France to assume its "rightful" place as America's equal, if not superior, in shaping world affairs.
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If France were serious, it would be using its influence within the European Union to assemble an army of 25,000 Eurotroops, and a $5 billion reconstruction package, and then saying to the Bush team: Here, we're sincere about helping to rebuild Iraq, but now we want a real seat at the management table. Instead, the French have put out an ill-conceived proposal, just to show that they can be different, without any promise that even if America said yes Paris would make a meaningful contribution.
But then France has never been interested in promoting democracy in the modern Arab world, which is why its pose as the new protector of Iraqi representative government — after being so content with Saddam's one-man rule — is so patently cynical.
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nytimes.com