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To: mph who wrote (989)	11/12/2003 10:23:38 AM
From: Oral Roberts	Respond to of 90947

I agree in that I don't think she plays well outside of NY and CA. I'm not sure how well she plays in NY anymore as I thought I remember some poll problems there. She is a self centered, ladder climbing media whore and not the one to be the first Female President. There are much better choices out there and there will be much better choices coming down the pike I'm certain.

To: mph who wrote (989)	11/12/2003 10:47:15 AM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

I imagine she'd actually like to see Bush win a second term. Then she could run next time in a timely fashion. You read Safire this morning, didn't you? ;-) Never Love a Stranger By WILLIAM SAFIRE Published: November 12, 2003 WASHINGTON — Both power centers of the Democratic establishment — the Kennedy left and the Clinton middle — are frantic at the prospect of losing control of their party to Howard Dean. They fear a McGovernesque debacle that would hand the G.O.P. a super-majority in the Senate. Clintonites were first to take the Dean threat seriously. As reported gleefully in this space (full disclosure: I'm rooting for Dean's candidacy in hopes of the debacle), the Clinton crowd surrounded ex-Gen. Wesley Clark with Clinton managers, spinmeisters, pollsters and fund-raisers and marched him into battle against Dean. The Clinton political strategy was, as usual, astute: let Dick Gephardt slow Dean down in Iowa, then push Clark hard enough to upset Dean in New Hampshire, or at least attract enough of the isolationist vote from Dean to let John Kerry squeak through. Of course, if the national economy had gone south, Hillary would have gone South with Clark on her ticket to take on an unemployment-ravaged Bush herself. But with the economy surging and Democrats robbed of their central issue, Hillary can wait till 2008. It is in the Clintons' interest for the 2004 Democratic nominee to lose respectably, not in a landslide, laying the basis for a 2008 comeback that would be impossible if Dean were in the White House. ... Full column: nytimes.com