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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rambi who wrote (79035)	11/12/2003 1:16:07 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

No- I must have missed the pussification of men- it seems to have gone hand in hand with their pissification, at least judging by some comments in other forums. I am sure it is scary for the male animal, which evolved in time periods (for the most part) when strength coupled with aggression were some of the best traits to have, to suddenly find the environment hostile to that combination. Having used strength to win females and keep them in line, it must be terribly wrenching, at some low primitive level, to have that strategy under attack. Of course for less aggressive males this is a bonanza :-) Brains, not brawn, and intellect, not aggression, will get you the big bucks in our society- for the most part (the WWF being one of those exceptions that proves the rule)- and women often follow the big bucks (pun intended).

To: Rambi who wrote (79035)	11/12/2003 1:34:03 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I know that the male reaction to your statement about controlling women through pregnancy will be upsetting to the guys, but I think probably it has validity if they would be honest about it. I don't mean in the personal immediate sense, but in some deeper, maybe atavistic sense Possibly for some, but certainly not for all. I think it's one of those stereotypes (like that women are less logical than men, or that blacks have lower IQs than whites) that may be true on a mid-point-of-the-bell-curve but are subtantively inaccurate and do far more harm than good. And similarly for your remark that men don't acknowledge what pregnancy and childbirth do to a woma's life. For some men, particularly teenagers, I'm sure that's true. But most men I know are fully aware of both the good and bad effects. And there are some men who are far more affected in the long term (not during the pregnancy, certainly, but after the birth) by having children than the women are. There are many men now staying home with the children while their wives go out to work. So I think that what you're presenting are stereotypes that, like most stereotypes, have some historical basis in some truth, but which, again, do more harm than good in looking at life today.