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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (119353)	11/13/2003 6:49:56 AM
From: Chas.	Respond to of 281500

enjoyed your post but I would like to add that no matter who the President may be, I suspect, he may be only as aware as his intelligence serving him allows. The demise of the CIA goes all the way back to President Jimmy Carter and Stansfield Turner who began the emasculation process........ I believe that Clinton/Albright set our FP back about 50 years and we may never recover. Our CIA is getting better but is it... too little too late.... The ultimate answer is World Domination thru Economic and Military measures, the Neo Cons and the PNAC have it right..... regards

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (119353)	11/13/2003 10:12:26 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Remember, OBL started his war on America in Clinton's watch...." You are wrong. Here is a bin- Laden biography. It shows that he really got upset with the US under George senior's watch but that his animosity dates back to the 80's(Regan's watch) "He reacted swiftly to Iraqi invasion and saw it fulfilling his prophecy. He immediately forwarded another letter to the king suggesting in detail how to protect the country from potentially advancing Iraqi forces. In addition to many military tactics suggested, he volunteered to bring all the Arab mujahedeen to defend the kingdom. That letter was presented in the first few days of the incident, and the regime response was of consideration! While he was expecting some call to mobilize his men and equipment he heard the news which transferred his life completely. The Americans are coming." www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ shows/binladen/who/bio.html "The American missiles then played very strong role in sorting the controversy. After the American attack on Sudan and Afghanistan it became almost shameful to criticize bin Laden. People inside Saudi Arabia and in other Arab countries were full of anger towards America, and whoever can antagonize America would provide a fulfillment to their desire of discharging their anger. The American strike with the associated remarks by Clinton and American officials proved that bin Laden is a big challenge to America. In the mind of average Arab and Muslim bin Laden appeared as the man who was able to drive America so crazy that it started shooting haphazardly at unjustified targets. There was another factor which made people forget the scene of civilian victims, the special nature of the Sudanese factory. Those who had reservations of the African bombings thought that this arrogance of the Americans is much worse than the embassy bombings. Their view was that while bin Laden or others can make "executive" mistake because of their difficult circumstances, logistics and communication, America is not supposed to do this mistake unless it is done in purpose." You have not responded to my remarks and sources about Bush II's lack of response to Clinton's warnings so I take it that you agree with me.