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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sandintoes who wrote (493394)	11/16/2003 12:11:35 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Speaking of a good offense, it looks like the Iraqi freedom fighters just scored a twofer: Copter Crashes in Iraq Kill 17 Soldiers chicagotribune.com By MARIAM FAM Associated Press Writer Published November 15, 2003, 9:37 PM CST MOSUL, Iraq -- Two Black Hawk helicopters collided and crashed Saturday night, killing 17 American soldiers in the U.S. military's worst single loss of life since the Iraq war began. Five soldiers were injured and one was missing, the military said. One helicopter smashed into the roof of a house, witnesses said, and there were reports one of the aircraft was shot down. As the U.S. death toll in Iraq passed the 400 mark, the Iraqi Governing Council endorsed a U.S. plan Saturday that would create a provisional government by June. The transfer of power would provide Washington with an "exit strategy" in the face of escalating guerrilla warfare. The two Black Hawks, which belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, went down in the Borsa residential neighborhood of Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city. A statement by the U.S. command said one helicopter was carrying a quick reaction force and the other ferried soldiers on a transport mission in northern Iraq. The statement did not give the cause of the crash, although some soldiers at the scene said at least one of the Black Hawks may have been hit by ground fire. Continues.......... ************** sandy, how do you think Little King George is going to try to spin this one? Or is he going to keep quiet about it while he plans to meet the English families of fallen soldiers while avoiding the American families like a plague?

To: sandintoes who wrote (493394)	11/16/2003 12:56:43 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Oh brother, give it up, there is no other memo, except what he wrote to himself. Wouldn't that be a memo to yourself? And what about this memo? washtimes.com You know all of these memogate stories are non-starters. Imagine politicians acting like politicians. That's what they do. The policy of Bush is pre-emptive unilateral war. The policy of the democrats is a broad multilateral approach to the war on terror that includes the rest of the world. That's the major policy difference in a nutshell. When intelligence is used as a justification for a pre-emptive unilateral war, and when that intelligence appears to have been trumped up, then it is imperative that we take a hard look at the intelligence and how it was used. I see noting offensive or traitorous about the memo by Rockefeller, nor the memo by Gillespie. They are simply examples of the right and the left fighting for their viewpoint. That's what happens in a democracy. Orca

To: sandintoes who wrote (493394)	11/16/2003 2:26:57 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Respond to of 769667

Today, Fox News anchors are repeatedly mentioning the blockbuster story "proving" a long-time link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. The leak was made to a truly unbiased source, the Weekly Standard. The neocon magazine titles the article on the "leaked" memo, "Case Closed." The memo is from another unbiased source: Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, one of the most hard-core neoconservatives at the Pentagon. At one point, a Fox reporter referred to the Weekly Standard as having "close ties to the White House." You would think that they might mention that Fox and the Weekly Standard are both owned by Rupert Murdoch. Current and retired intel officers have identified the work of Feith's Office of Special Plans as a key component of the exaggerated and manipulated intelligence produced on Iraq. Feith himself has been accused of being behind previous leaks of "raw intelligence." I wonder who "leaked" this memo to the Weekly Standard? UPDATE: The Dept. of Defense has issued a news release dismissing the report. defenselink.mil Much ado about nothing. Orca