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Pastimes : In Memory of the lives lost September 11, 2001 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: greenspirit who wrote (94)11/16/2003 8:02:14 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 105
 
Steve Golding said...: "..My soul aches..." Seve Golding said so many things that capture the feelings and events of that day, not only for himself and as a memorial to his family and friends who were lost on 9-11. His piece bring tears again. He captures the feelings he had that day, and those of us who weren't 'physically' there, but in spirit, were right there.

He captured this for me...

I still have that sensation of shaking inside. My hands are steady and I am still seething, still angry and still hurt. I suppose with time that sensation of shaking will subside because I know, also, that we will overcome this blow that we took. But I don't want to overcome it to the point that we forget. Overcome it, but not forget it. And that's the whole reason why I did the page and continue to maintain it.

Thanks for putting Steve Goldings words and first hand experience of that day here, on this thread. May we never forget.

My soul still aches too.



To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/4/2011 8:16:03 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 105
 
NY City worker jailed for stealing $10M from fund to identify 9/11 remains still holding on to cash
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BY Tina Moore NY DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Sunday, September 4th 2011
nydailynews.com

Former city worker Natarajan Venkataram was sentenced to 15 years in jail for siphoning $10 million meant for identifying 9/11 victims.

Ten years after the Sept. 11 attacks, ex-city worker Natarajan Venkataram says he’s sorry he stole millions of dollars meant for identifying the remains of trade center victims.

He’s just not sorry enough to turn over $400,000 sitting in his bank account in India.

The city has recovered $7 million of the $10 million he and an accomplice stole, but he went to court to hold onto this final portion of his ill-gotten gains.

In a phone interview from the federal prison camp at Fort Dix, N.J., Venkataram, 46, whined about jail conditions and apologized repeatedly for his crime.

Asked about the disputed cash, Venkataram said: “All the issues are still pending in the court.”

The city medical examiner’s office got millions of dollars from the feds to help identify the remains of nearly 3,000 victims.

Venkataram, then a manager dealing with the medical examiner’s computer system, and his girlfriend, Rosa Abreu, siphoned off millions via shell companies and fake contract bids.

When Venkataram learned probers were on to him, he transferred $1 million to his Indian bank accounts, prosecutors say.

Arrested in 2005, Venkataram pleaded guilty to embezzlement and money laundering. He got 15 years in jail; Abreu got six.

Venkataram also was ordered to pay $2.9 million in restitution. Hoping to retrieve even more, the city sued him and won an $8 million judgment in 2009.

“We’ve been using that judgment to collect any other money that we can find of his,” city lawyer Eric Proshansky said.

The city — led by the Department of Investigation — has recovered nearly $7 million from the scheme, including $6 million from an overseas company.

“DOI’s work helped identify how the funds were routed so they could be recovered,” DOI Commissioner Rose Gill Hearn said.

Probers discovered a bank in India containing about $700,000. The bank froze the money in 2006, but Venkataram’s sister sued in India to get the money.

In September 2010, U.S courts barred Venkataram and his reps from touching the money.

Venkataram’s court filings have ranged from “contradictory” to “misleading,” Manhattan Federal Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald wrote in July.

He claimed much of the money deposited in his name belongs to relatives and “should not be seized or forfeited.”

He said the money was in his name because India forbids “native residents” from keeping U.S. money in state banks.

In June, the bank transferred $223,000 to the city, records show; approximately $400,000 remains in the account.

Law Department spokeswoman Kate O’Brien Ahlers said the city is relentlessly looking for the rest of the money.

“It may or may not be out there, but if it is out there we’re certainly going to do everything we can to find it,” she said.

Read more: nydailynews.com



To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/4/2011 8:21:38 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 105
 
First Responders Walk To Remember 9/11 Heroes

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By: NY1 News 9/4/2011
brooklyn.ny1.com

Members of the city's police and fire departments are gathering this morning for the 10th annual "Walk of Remembrance" to honor those lost in the September 11th attacks.



Members of the city's police and fire departments, along with their families, gathered Sunday morning for the 10th annual "Walk of Remembrance" to honor those lost in the September 11th attacks.

The walk started at Engine 1, Ladder 24 on West 31st Street and ended at Engine 10, Ladder 10 on Liberty Street.

Walkers made stops along the way at firehouses and police precincts on their way to the World Trade Center site.

Among their stops was the New York City Fire Museum, where a permanent exhibit of Father Mychal Judge's helmet and bunker coat will be blessed.

Judge was the Fire Department Chaplain who died while helping with rescue efforts on September 11th.

He was the first recorded victim of the attacks.

"It's about remembering what a great person he was, how much comfort and solace he brought to the fire department over the years," said one walk participant.

"He was there to minister to his firefighters and all those in the building on that terrible day, and we should never lose our faith, and that's one of the reasons we do the walk," said another.

"There's a great sense of goodness in the people in this country, and I think this walk is a way for that goodness in people to come together, to join together, and really, to be strengthened," said a third.

Sunday's event started with mass at the Church of St. Francis of Assisi in Manhattan.



To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/5/2011 1:37:18 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 105
 
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To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/6/2011 4:55:47 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 105
 
Mayor Bloomberg: 9/11 site shouldn't be called "Ground Zero"
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reuters.com

NEW YORK | Tue Sep 6, 2011 NEW YORK (Reuters) - People should stop calling the site of the September 11 attacks "Ground Zero," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Tuesday, urging Americans to move past a term long linked with the World Trade Center's twin towers destruction.

"We will never forget the devastation of the area that came to be known as ground zero. Never. But the time has come to call those 16 acres what they are: The World Trade Center and the National September 11 Memorial and Museum," Bloomberg said in a speech on the rebuilding of lower Manhattan.

Ground Zero originated as a term to describe the site of a nuclear explosion and later was used to refer to the point of any dramatic or violent event.

New Yorkers started calling the World Trade Center site Ground Zero shortly after suicide hijackers destroyed the twin towers and killed nearly 3,000 people.

For several years the site was also known as "the pit" because reconstruction of a new World Trade Center was stalled, leaving a large hole in the ground. But today it is an active construction site with two of four planned skyscrapers under construction and the memorial plaza set to open in time for the 10th anniversary of the attacks.

"The rebirth and revitalization of lower Manhattan will be remembered as one of the greatest comeback stories in American history," Bloomberg said.

(Reporting by Daniel Trotta; Editing by Mark Egan and Jackie Frank)



To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/8/2011 11:32:45 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 105
 
Still Angry About 9/11
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| 09-09-11 | stolinsky
www.stolinsky.com

The tenth anniversary of 9/11 is upon us. Rather than ruminating on pious platitudes or reporting the trite remarks of gaseous politicians, I thought it might be appropriate to update some prior columns that attempt to shed light on the subject. This is this fifth.

Still Angry About 9/11 David C. Stolinsky
Sept. 9, 2011
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/f/fd/20051023193321!National_Park_Service_9-11_Statue_of_Liberty_and_WTC_fire.jpg

Ten years later, I am still angry about 9/11. Many people are not. In fact, many people barely remember 9/11. They see nothing wrong with building a mosque at Ground Zero. They do not realize that Ground Zero is already a holy place.

They do not realize that it would be similar to building a Japanese Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbor, near the USS Arizona Memorial. They do not realize that, like our troops raising our flag on Iwo Jima, it would be a symbol of victory - but not our victory.

President Obama proposes that 9/11 be a “ National Day of Service,” marked by volunteering for the poor and similar activities. This may or may not be desirable, but it has nothing to do with remembering 9/11 - or with preventing a recurrence.

On the contrary, Obama ordered officials to minimize mention of Al Qaeda, as if not mentioning it would make it go away. The problem with 9/10 thinking is that it leads to 9/11. One reason for our confusion is that we get conflicting advice on what to do with our anger. Many “experts” tell us that anger is a negative emotion – one to be avoided. Assorted gurus teach us to “put anger aside,” “find closure,” and “get on with our lives.” Clergy may give similar advice. Friends may say, “Just get over it.” But is this good advice? Is it good psychologically? Is it good morally? Even if we can “just get over it,” should we? It is one thing to calm our anger over minor injuries done to us. It is quite another to forgive those who do not ask forgiveness and who inflict horrible suffering on others.

To forgive such people isn't kindness – it’s cruelty to all those who will be hurt by the evil that we didn’t stop. If you are beaten up, I have no right to forgive the attacker. But at least I have some understanding of what it means to be beaten up.

What can I grasp about 9/11? ?

I have no conception of what it felt like to be faced with the choice of burning to death in a jet-fuel inferno, or jumping out of a 110-story building. ?

I have no notion of what went through the jumpers’ minds during the 10 seconds it took to hit the pavement at 120 miles per hour. Did that seem like a very short time, or a very long time? ?

I have no idea of the incredible pain the relatives and friends of the victims felt, as they waited for the bodies - or parts of bodies - to be found. Many are still waiting. ?

I have no understanding of the additional pain felt by victims’ families when they watched TV and saw supporters of terrorism dancing in the streets of the Middle East. The only aspect of 9/11 that I have a right to forgive is the emotional distress I felt watching it on TV – a microscopic part of that event. For me to usurp the right to forgive the terrorists would be arrogant and egotistical.

Only the victims have the right to forgive. And they aren’t here. Ethical principles tell us to do difficult things for others, not easy things for ourselves. We should be suspicious of a principle that tells us to do nothing when others are in peril. It is unlikely to be an ethical principle, and more likely to be a rationalization for our own selfishness and cowardice.

Doing nothing after almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens were horribly murdered – that’s ethical? No, it’s cowardly. Having more sympathy for terrorists who were killed in a war that they started than for our own people – that’s ethical? No, it’s an excuse for cowardice.

Emphasizing our defects rather than our enemies’ atrocities – that’s ethical? No, it’s an excuse for inaction. Clearly, the relatives and friends of the victims of 9/11 should do whatever helps to allay their pain. If forgiving the terrorists serves to mitigate the suffering, let them do so. But what about the rest of us, who didn’t lose anyone we knew on 9/11? Should we “get on with our lives” and “let go of our anger”? We have confused the proper response of relatives and friends with what everyone else should do. We have confused what is psychologically best for the relatives with what is morally best for all the rest of us. Psychology tells us what we should do to relieve emotional pain. It tells us nothing about what we should do to fulfill our obligations to others.

This used to be taught by parents, who now work two jobs and have little time to teach anything. It used to be taught by teachers, who now can barely teach English and mathematics. It used to be taught by clergy, many of whom now preach how to feel good, not how to do good. True, doing good often makes us feel good. But sometimes doing good is difficult, or even painful and dangerous.

Sometimes doing good requires us to recognize evil, despite the ugliness. Sometimes doing good requires us to fight evil, despite the danger. Sometimes doing good is the opposite of feeling good.

This is a lesson you will rarely hear from New Age gurus or liberal clergy. Rather than babbling about “getting rid of anger,” competent psychologists help us to find the real source of our anger. Then we can attempt to remedy the situation, rather than bottling up our anger – only to have it burst out unexpectedly. If we are inhibited from expressing anger at those who deserve it, we may express it at those who don’t. Perhaps this is one reason for domestic violence, workplace violence, and road rage. If we expressed more anger at criminals and terrorists, we might express less anger at spouses, children, coworkers, or motorists. Instead we are told, “Have sympathy for all humanity.”

Sympathy can be beautiful, but if misdirected it can turn ugly. Sympathy for criminals can lead to more criminals going free, and therefore more crime. Sympathy for terrorists can induce us to “see their point of view,” which hampers efforts to combat terrorism. If we squander our sympathy on criminals, we will have none left for victims. And we are told that anger is always destructive.

Of course anger can be destructive, but if properly directed it can also be constructive. ? Anger at child molesters can lead to stronger laws, and fewer children kidnapped from their bedrooms or dragged from their front yards. ?

Anger at criminals can lead to more criminals living behind prison bars, and fewer law-abiding citizens living behind window bars. ?

Anger at terrorists can lead to dismantling their network and preventing another 9/11.

Anger at the perpetrators of 9/11 may have been part of the motivation for waterboarding three (only three) terrorists, including one of the chief planners of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. As a result of information he revealed, a plot to crash a plane into the Los Angeles Library Tower was broken up, saving thousands of lives. Now known as the U.S. Bank Tower, it is the tallest building west of Chicago.

Those who reject this idea should realize that the only way to prove it conclusively would have been to let the plot go forward - and watch people die. Saints may be able to rid themselves of all anger, but most of us are very far from being saints. For us, the realistic goal is not to eliminate our anger, but to control it and direct it properly. For us, 9/11 was not only a sin and an act of war – it was also a horribly costly lesson. Let’s not waste it. Let’s use it to relearn what we used to know – the difference between petty anger and righteous indignation.

Yes, 10 years later I am still angry about 9/11, and I will be until the terrorist network has been rooted out. Only then can I allow myself to “just get over it.” But if I am tempted to forget about 9/11, I can remind myself of the scenes that caused our enemies so much joy that they danced in the streets:

WARNING! Graphic Images

The motto of Scotland is “Nemo me impune lacessit.” It is usually translated as “No one attacks me and goes unpunished.” The Scots render it informally as “Who dares meddle with me?”

We Americans used to be even more direct, as witness “ The Ballad of Mike Moran.”

We are forgetting who we are and where we come from.

We have trouble distinguishing our friends from our enemies.

We are losing our identity in a sort of national dementia. Such people are easily reduced from citizens to subjects - which, of course, the “elite” and the bureaucrats would be only too happy to accomplish.

Before it is too late, we must remember how to stand up and fight for our beliefs. For a start, we can remember how to get angry when our fellow citizens are slaughtered just because they are Americans.

Dr. Stolinsky writes on political and social issues. Contact:
dstol@prodigy.net.



To: greenspirit who wrote (94)9/10/2011 12:14:11 PM
From: joseffy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 105
 
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