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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2411)	11/16/2003 11:39:46 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

David Klinghoffer Author, Historian on Crucifixion of Jesus Jewish officialdom — that small, cozy world of community leaders and other machers — is already getting agitated by Mel Gibson's still-in-production Jesus movie. "The Passion" depicts the last 12 hours in the life of Christianity's founder, and press reports suggest that it places blame for the man's death firmly on Jewish shoulders. …One such orthodox belief insists that, despite what the Christian Gospels say, it wasn't Jews who killed Jesus: it was Romans acting on their own. You've heard this a million times, from Hebrew school onward. The Simon Wiesenthal Center's Rabbi Marvin Hier, referring to Gibson's making of "The Passion," recently told Reuters that he's concerned "that the film's purpose is to undo the changes made by Vatican II," which absolved the Jews of collective responsibility for Jesus' death. That "would unleash more of the scurrilous charges of deicide directed against the Jewish people." Yet authoritative Jewish sources teach that Jesus died at least partly thanks to decisions taken by his fellow Jews. That fact used to be covered up by our communal leaders lest antisemites discover and publicize it. But the discovery has already happened, as a quick Internet search will reveal. So why keep fooling ourselves? Maimonides says it unapologetically in his "Letter to Yemen": "Jesus of Nazareth... impelled people to believe that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah, and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer. He interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to lead to their total annulment, to the abolition of all its commandments and to the violation of its prohibitions. The sages, of blessed memory, having become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people, meted out fitting punishment to him." In this passage, Maimonides draws on the Talmud and the Tosefta, another ancient rabbinic text. One key talmudic passage, from tractate Sanhedrin (43a), was expunged by censors but preserved in manuscripts and is well known today: "On the eve of Passover they hung Jesus of Nazareth. The herald had gone forth forty days before [his death], (crying): 'Jesus of Nazareth goes forth to be stoned, because he has practiced magic and deceived and led astray Israel. Anyone who knows anything in his favor should come and declare concerning him.' But they found nothing in his favor." Stoning would have been followed by briefly hanging the body on a tree. As one modern scholar notes, "the Talmudic story of the execution of Jesus does not implicate the civil [Roman] government at all."

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2411)	11/16/2003 2:15:36 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

And other Jewish leaders are also worried the ADL strategy has backfired. All opposition to this movie gets shot down. The time of Christ's return must not be today. Obviously there are more people to be reached. This movie must be pretty important. Did you read about the lightning striking the actor playing Christ?

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2411)	11/16/2003 8:49:57 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Respond to of 5569

And people think it's not a "jewish conspiracy" in this country that is behind the attacks against any public mention or demonstration of faith in Jesus. I used to be one of them but I keep searching for what's true, not just what's the popular Christian belief of the day. Every film made in Hollywood for years with rare exception has portrayed any Christian as mentally ill!! It's so blatant yet people don't see it. Now they are scared of this new movie because Jesus and faith in Jesus is portrayed positively. I've also wondered recently in light of the Church's love of Israel and Jews if this "last days" outpouring of love from the Church could be God's plan as a last chance for Jews to accept Jesus. A witness of the love of Jesus to Israel on an international scale. What a witness for Jesus that would be. But then their is also the anti-christ political and spiritual side of it all. And the emergence of the beast.