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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	11/16/2003 9:28:06 PM
From: alan w	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

Still hating your enemies Emile? Even antichrist Israel and Talmudic Judaism were permitted for the edification of the Body of Christ. Permitted? They were purposed for it. God chose them specifically for it. They couldn’t act any other way. Judas couldn’t have acted any other way. Sounds like the same lame excuse that God “permits” evil. God created evil (ra). Isaiah 45:7. He also created the waster to destroy. Isaiah 54:16. He also created the wicked for the day of evil. Proverbs 16:4. You see Emile, God is in complete, total and perfect charge. There has not been one thing happen that God didn’t ordain BEFORE the foundation of the world. He is perfect and He is running a perfect operation. Nothing has gone wrong from day one. If you’re saying one thing is not as it should be, you’re saying God made a mistake and someone altered/overrode His plan. Impossible. God makes no mistakes. He is a perfect planner. He can and will do anything His heart desires: Isaiah 46: 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, My counsel shall stand and I will do all my pleasure. I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it. Daniel 4:35 God’s will done in heaven and earth, none can stop Him Proverbs 19:21 Man devises, but God’s counsel stands Psalms 37:23 The steps of man are ordered of God. Psalms 33:15 God fashions all hearts. You truly can’t see that God is the one in charge of the Jew’s actions can you? God purposed it from the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:11 also we (30) have obtained an inheritance, having been (31) predestined (32) according to His purpose who works all things (33) after the counsel of His will, Acts 4:27"For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together (28) To do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done. and Romans Chapter 11: 7: What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.(including the jews) 8: Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day." 9: And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10:Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, And bow down their back always." 11:I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. But Emile, verse 26 says that “all Israel shall be saved, as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Isaiah 6:5-7 says the same. Ezekiel chapter 37 the same. These people you continually spend your life railing against are only fulfilling God’s plan exactly as He wishes it to happen. And then, when He finishes using them, He will lift the veil over their eyes, and they will see. Job 5:17&18 God wounds, then He makes whole again. Deuteronomy 32:39 God kills and makes alive, He wounds but then heals. Jeremiah 18:2-6 God mars vessels, then remakes them. Lamentations 3:31&32 God will not cast off forever. Joel 3:21 God will cleanse blood not cleansed. Psalms 86:9 All nations will worship God and be blessed. Psalms 65:2-4 All flesh will come to God. Psalms 66:3&4 Enemies will submit, and all earth will worship. Isaiah 19:14-25 Egypt and Assyria will be restored. Ezekiel 16:55 Sodom will be restored. Isaiah 25:7 God will destroy the veil that’s cast over all. Isaiah 25:8 God will swallow up death in victory and wipe away tears from all faces. Hebrews 9:27 It’s appointed to men once to die, but after this, the judgment. Isaiah, 26:9 When God’s judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants will learn righteousness. Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, so that He might have mercy upon ALL Even antichrist Israel and Talmudic Judaism were permitted for the edification of the Body of Christ. Why do you have such a problem with God’s vessels? Some He mars (for a time) and some He justifies and glorifies during the ages. The rest will bow, confess and come to a knowledge of the truth at the end of the ages. alan w

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	12/16/2003 2:07:34 AM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

The Washington Times www.washingtontimes.com Zionist meeting brands 'road map' as heresy washingtontimes.com By Julia Duin A Washington conference of Christian and Jewish Zionists yesterday heard attacks on the U.S. "road map" for peace in the Middle East as a breach of a 4,000-year-old covenant between God and Israel. "The land of Israel was originally owned by God," said Gary Bauer, president of American Values and a Republican presidential contender in 2000. "Since He was the owner, only He could give it away. And He gave it to the Jewish people." Terrorists, he said, "don't understand why Israel and the United States are joined at the heart." Called the "Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit," the conference attracted to the Omni Shoreham Hotel about 1,000 participants, who debated how evangelical Christians could best unite with Jews to support Israel. A three-page statement was adopted, to be delivered to President Bush this week, demanding Palestinian concessions before Israel is asked to return to its pre-1967 borders, which would turn over the West Bank and Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. Calling the peace proposal "a Satanic road map," Earl Cox, executive producer and host of Front Page Jerusalem, a radio program, asked, "Do any of you believe [Palestinian leader] Yasser Arafat will embrace traditional family values? There will be a mosque on all the holy sites. How can anyone who's a Jew or a Christian support such a proposal?" Evangelical Christians, estimated to number about 45 million in America, are a source of support for Israel, though to varying degrees. Evangelical organizations represented at the conference included the Christian Coalition, the Christian Broadcasting Network and the Religious Roundtable. One organization distributed bumper stickers saying: "Pray that President Bush will honor God's covenant with Israel." Frank Gaffney Jr., president of the Center for Security Policy, said the months before the November 2004 election are ideal for lobbying Mr. Bush on an issue important to his conservative base. "This statement will be a shot across the bow for this president," he said. Although he is subject to considerable pro-Palestinian pressure, he said, "George W. Bush, I think, is with us in his heart and in his soul." The conference, underwritten by a $100,000 grant from Zionist House, a Boston-based Jewish group, appeared to be closely balanced between Christians and Jews, with a slight Jewish majority. Theological differences were put aside by the speakers, such as Jan Willem van de Hoeven, the Dutch-born founder of the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem. "We may have disagreements about who [the Messiah] is," Mr. van de Hoeven said, "but He is not coming back to a mosque but to a third temple." The remark alluded to prophecies of the Jews rebuilding their temple on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, replacing the Muslim Dome of the Rock. His words drew one of several standing ovations. Several speakers talked of how to persuade Mr. Bush to stay firm on his nomination of Daniel Pipes, a scholar on Islam, as one of 15 directors of the U.S. Institute of Peace. The nomination, which has drawn ardent opposition from Islamic groups, must be confirmed by the Senate. Mr. Pipes, a speaker at the conference, criticized Americans for political naivete. "Why do we destroy our enemies and ask Israel to prop up its enemies?" he asked. "The assumption behind the road map is the Arabs have accepted Israel." A "change of heart" is needed among Palestinians, he said, "which is achieved by an Israeli victory and a Palestinian defeat." Moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would prompt that process, he said. "It's a marker saying Israel won the war in 1948 and Jerusalem has been its capital for 55 years and we might as well come to terms with its existence," Mr. Pipes said. About three dozen people protested outside the hotel. "It involves fundamentalist Christians, who tend to be ethnocentric and racist, siding with Jews who practice the same policies in Israel," said David Kirshbaum, representing SUSTAIN (Stop U.S. Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now). A group of ultra-Orthodox Jews, who oppose Israel's existence on theological grounds, stood beside him.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/1/2004 1:17:39 PM
From: Ben Wa	Respond to of 5569

Christians Second-Class in Muslim Lands - Cardinal Wed December 31, 2003 10:42 AM ET By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor PARIS (Reuters) - Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens and bar them from building churches while Western states let their Muslims build mosques freely, according to a senior Vatican official. Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, who recently retired as the Vatican's foreign minister, told the French Catholic daily La Croix Wednesday that Christianity and Islam faced "an enormous task" of learning to live together in mutual tolerance. Tauran was the latest and highest-ranking Catholic official to voice concern about Vatican relations with Muslims, an issue seen as central for whoever succeeds the ailing Pope John Paul. "There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens," said Tauran, the church's top diplomat for 13 years before he had to step aside on being made a cardinal by Pope John Paul in October. Stressing the need for respect for minorities, he singled out "the extreme case of Saudi Arabia, where freedom of religion is violated absolutely -- no Christian churches and a ban on celebrating Mass, even in a private home." "Just like Muslims can build their houses of prayer anywhere in the world, the faithful of other religions should be able to do so as well," the French-born cardinal added. GROWING CONCERN Leading church figures have increasingly expressed concern about Islam in view of friction between Muslims and Christians in Africa and the Middle East and the difficult integration of Muslim minorities in traditionally Christian Europe. La Civilta Cattolica, a Jesuit journal published with Vatican approval, said last October Islam had a "warlike face" throughout history and charged Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Pakistan discriminated against Christians. This was seen as a departure from the more balanced approach the Vatican has taken toward the Muslim world, where it usually stressed both positive and negative aspects of its relations. In Rome that same month to celebrate Pope John Paul's 25th anniversary as pontiff, several cardinals cited relations with Islam as a key issue for the next papacy, akin to the Communist challenge at the beginning of the Polish pope's reign. The head of the United States bishops' conference, Bishop Wilton Gregory, spoke of potential religious violence. Referring to Islam in the West and in Africa, he said: "It's growing in places it didn't exist before and it is growing in places where Christianity is growing. The world cannot afford a violence that is born of religious intolerance." Saudi Arabia has rejected criticism of its ban on churches, arguing the Vatican would not let mosques be built on its land. Abid Ullah Jan, a Pakistani writer based in Canada, wrote that the Civilta Cattolica article signaled the Vatican had "joined the ranks of intellectual warriors who are battling Islam with renewed zeal since the fall of the Soviet Union." Since becoming cardinal, Tauran has taken a lower-profile post as Vatican librarian but has also been appointed to several important Church commissions for foreign affairs, Catholic doctrine, Eastern churches and bishops' appointments.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/11/2004 8:41:27 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant. --Jeremiah 9:11 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant. --Jeremiah 51:37

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/11/2004 9:15:06 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Revelation 17 - a great and wicked city (babylon) is shown: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Revelation 17:1) Earthly Jerusalem Unholy Jerusalem Old Jerusalem Jerusalem below Jerusalem in bondage with her children Revelation 21 - a great and glorious city is shown And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, (Revelation 21:9-10) Heavenly Jerusalem Holy Jerusalem New Jerusalem Jerusalem Above Jerusalem who is free, and the Mother of us all

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/11/2004 9:29:09 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Jeremiah 3 - an adulterous wife, playing the harlot, sitting on her lovers in the wilderness, polluting the land with whoredoms, having a whore's forehead They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lain with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. Revelation 17 - John envisions the wilderness, sees a whorish woman, an harlot, an adulterous wife, having a whore's forehead with a name written on it. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/14/2004 6:38:57 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. --Isaiah 13:19 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath: Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? what meaneth the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt: --Deuteronomy 29:23-25

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/20/2004 3:02:43 AM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon. The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. --Jeremiah 50:41-43 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth. They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion. We have heard the fame thereof: our hands wax feeble: anguish hath taken hold of us, and pain, as of a woman in travail. --Jeremiah 6:22-24

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	1/22/2004 4:05:40 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. --Revelation 14:8 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. --Revelation 18:2 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory. The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves. --Isaiah 3:8-9 Hear ye this word which I take up against you, even a lamentation, O house of Israel. The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is forsaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up. For thus saith the Lord GOD; The city that went out by a thousand shall leave an hundred, and that which went forth by an hundred shall leave ten, to the house of Israel. --Amos 5:1-3

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/2/2004 5:37:33 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

BABYLON Daniel 2: Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, is the head of fine gold: 2:27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king; 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; 2:29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. 2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart. 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. --Isaiah 13:19 JERUSALEM [ZION] Lamentations 4: God's people, the precious sons of Zion, which decayed from fine gold to miry clay as with the image in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. 4:1 How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street. 4:2 The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter! 4:3 Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. 4:4 The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them. 4:5 They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/2/2004 5:48:55 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

Daniel 2: This image's head was of fine gold....Thou [Nebuchadnezzar] art this head of gold. Lamentations 4: The precious sons of Zion [Jerusalem], comparable to fine gold [Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon].... MYSTERY BABYLON no longer remains a mystery... JERUSALEM (a.k.a ZION) = MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/4/2004 10:31:22 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Jeremiah: Babylon 50:1 The word that the LORD spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet. 50:12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. 50:13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. Jerusalem 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. 19:4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 19:7 And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. 19:8 And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/15/2004 3:41:12 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.....Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms. --Isaiah 47:1,5 The elders of the daughter of Zion sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: the virgins of Jerusalem hang down their heads to the ground. --Lamentations 2:10

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/15/2004 3:43:53 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.....And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it. --Isaiah 47:1,7 Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward. Her filthiness is in her skirts; she remembereth not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O LORD, behold my affliction: for the enemy hath magnified himself. --Lamentations 1:8-9

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/15/2004 3:48:48 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

BABYLON - Isaiah 47 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers. Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man. --Isaiah 47:1-3 JERUSALEM - Ezekiel 16, 23; Lamentations 1 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine........Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.......And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare. --Ezekiel 16:8, 36-37, 39 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.......So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister......And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. --Ezekiel 23:10,18,29 Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward. Her filthiness is in her skirts; she remembereth not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O LORD, behold my affliction: for the enemy hath magnified himself. --Lamentations 1:8-9

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/15/2004 4:00:13 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 5569

BABYLON Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate. --Isaiah 47:1 JERUSALEM Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion. --Isaiah 52:1-2 The elders of the daughter of Zion sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: the virgins of Jerusalem hang down their heads to the ground. --Lamentations 2:10 MYSTERY BABYLON For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. --Revelation 18:17-19

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (2416)	2/15/2004 4:05:22 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon eating grass like oxen: This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king: That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule......While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws. --Daniel 4:24-26, 31-32 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will. --Daniel 5:18-21 Israel like an ox eating grass: They made a calf in Horeb, and worshipped the molten image. Thus they changed their glory into the similitude of an ox that eateth grass. They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea. --Psalms 106:19-22