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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5019)	11/17/2003 4:03:17 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

It is incredible and a great compliment to the strength of Jewish families that they have been able to survive centuries of tremendous persecution, only to have built one of the most successful nations of the world, Israel, even though Israel remains surrounded by it's enemies. MYTH : “Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs.” FACT : "At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. us-israel.org from the article: ===> "When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power. Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco. Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880. Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344). The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire." <===

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5019)	11/17/2003 4:06:16 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

You wrote:<font color=blue>"Armenians, what Armenians. Armenians did not suffer, only Jews suffer."<font color=black> Only to a mentally ill, hateful and jealous person like you would make a statement like this, slandering both Jews and Armenians. Even a lowly slug has more value than you.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (5019)	11/17/2003 4:19:53 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

You wrote:<font color=blue>"As the marketing campaign reminds us."<font color=black> The Jewish Holocaust, engineered by the Nazis was historical fact, and the Christian Armenian genocide, engineered by Turkish Muslims was historical fact. You obviously can't help acting like as a disgusting person, when you call other people's misery and loss, "marketing". Instead of concentrating on the great evils done, how about focusing on the unbelievable courage of a small number of starving Jews who fought back against the Nazis? holocaustchronicle.org 1943: Death and Resistance From the article: "Zivia Lubetkin helped to found the Jewish Fighting Organization, and participated in the Warsaw Ghetto's January uprising. "We fought with grenades, guns, iron rods and light bulbs filled with sulphuric acid," she recalled in her book, In the Days of Destruction and Revolt. "For a few minutes we were intoxicated by the thrill of the battle. We had actually witnessed the German conquerors of the world retreat in fright from a handful of young Jews equipped only with a few pistols and hand grenades." Lubetkin knew the Germans would return. The only question was when. For the 50,000 Jews who remained in the ghetto, the decisive answer came on April 19, 1943, the eve of Passover. This time, General Jürgen Stroop's well-equipped German troops expected armed resistance upon entering the ghetto, and they got it. Outgunned by the Germans, the poorly armed Jewish fighters--about 700 to 750 strong--had no illusions about defeating Stroop. But Lubetkin saw the Germans fall back at first as the limited store of Jewish guns, grenades, and "Molotov cocktails" brought fear and death to the German invaders. Again, the reprieve was temporary. "The enemy set fire to the ghetto," Lubetkin testified. "How can one describe the enormous suffering and terror of the Jews trapped in the flames?" Still, the ghetto fighters resisted. Not until May 16 could Stroop report that "the Jewish Quarter of Warsaw no longer exists." By then Lubetkin had escaped through the sewer system to Warsaw's "Aryan" side, where her resistance continued ...