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To: stockman_scott who wrote (793)	11/17/2003 11:11:10 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1414

Scott, Enough with the stupid polls. OK? This excessive and silly navel gazing is a neurotic defect that you need to overcome. :) Please re-read this for some help with de-programming yourself: moore-info.com Here's a poll that actually matters: Message 19511510

To: stockman_scott who wrote (793)	11/17/2003 11:16:09 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 1414

Some excellent commentary on the awful state of American "journalism", a cesspool of insipidity and misdirection, a mere conjurer's trick: To:tsigprofit who started this subject From: Dale Baker Monday, Nov 17, 2003 6:46 AM View Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4551 A classic portrait of where "political journalism" has gone off the rails in America. Tim Russert, one of the smartest guys around, has a whole program with Wes Clark. He says he is going to find out where the general stands on "the issues". msnbc.com Then he spends the whole program dragging out every gaffe, accusation and political football he can find. Fair enough, but something is missing here. ABSOLUTELY NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ISSUES - THE ECONOMY, JOBS, HEALTHCARE, SOCIAL ISSUES, CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, THE ENVIRONMENT, EDUCATION, ETC. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Last time I checked, those are issues. Very important issues. But the America political theater has reached the point of complete dysfunction when it comes to dealing with them. Why bother with a campaign? Why not just sell tickets and popcorn and have a real circus instead of this joke? Signed, Disgusted Moderate Who Wants To Hear About Issues and Solutions to Real Problems Message 19509225

To: stockman_scott who wrote (793)	11/20/2003 7:56:13 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1414

Proof there is no frontrunner yet, just Deanie hype because the centrists are splitting the majority vote - for now. But in the end, five centrists can't all be running. Put them all together and they blow away Dean. Commentary > The Monitor's View from the November 20, 2003 edition Picking a Winner Before Primaries Some people just don't want to wait until the Democratic primaries to decide who the presidential nominee will be. They've already anointed former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, judging by his fundraising, polls, and endorsement by two powerful labor unions. monitortalk Weigh in on issues of the day in our forums. E-mail this story Write a letter to the Editor Printer-friendly version Perhaps it would be wiser to wait until the voters cast their ballots next year - or at least until voters are paying closer attention, making opinion polls more reliable. After several days on the defensive over his Confederate-flag gaffe, Dr. Dean has regained some momentum. First, he announced he was dispensing with public funding of his campaign, so successful is his fundraising. Second, he reaped the endorsement of two of the biggest labor unions, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees and the Service Employees International Union. Meanwhile Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, himself once the supposed front-runner, is trailing badly, not only in Iowa but more important, in neighboring New Hampshire. Senator Kerry clumsily fired his campaign manager, prompting other staffers to resign. The resulting flap gave more ammunition to those who say the senator relies too much on conflicting advice. How, they ask, can a candidate run the country if he can't manage his campaign? But it would be unwise to write Kerry off just yet. He still has powerful supporters in New Hampshire. His personal wealth has enabled him to join Dean in rejecting public funding. The party establishment would prefer him to Dean. If the rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't show progress in the next few months, anxious Democratic voters might prefer a war hero with foreign- policy experience. Dean's union endorsements were a blow to Rep. Richard Gephardt, who had hoped to win the endorsement of the entire AFL-CIO. But Mr. Gephardt still has support from industrial unions - support that's helped him regain the lead in Iowa. Other candidates are still viable. Gen. Wesley Clark has stumbled but continues to gather supporters. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina could yet pull off a surprise. Many of the candidates are trying to knock Dean off the lead by poring over his past statements to see if they contradict what he's saying now. How voters will react to all this in January and February is unknowable. Dean, after all, was once only a distant possibility in the pack. That should be enough to keep anyone from rashly picking a winner now.