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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (16648)	11/18/2003 5:36:34 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Respond to of 793656

Lol, Maurice, you're great when you get on a rant. I saw "The Whale Rider" a few weeks ago. A good tale about your Maori neighbors.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (16648)	11/18/2003 6:04:23 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793656

But, corporate employers gain handsomely from the servitude of criminalized immigrants. They then pay handsomely to politicos to continue the process. It's a win-win for the insiders, as long as they can keep the process secret or deceptive. Citizen input has nothing to do with it, since citizens are against this and wish to control the borders. Except, of course to plan, build, and pay for everything. How do you avoid this in your part of the world?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (16648)	11/18/2003 6:29:54 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 793656

Hmmmm... England has 9,000 troops in Iraq vs 14,000 in London for the Bush visit. story.news.yahoo.com What does it mean when you send more troops to protect Bush than to protect the rest of civilization against terrorists? Is there a message here?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (16648)	11/18/2003 8:17:54 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793656

This is how Clark gets trapped with his own statements. "The Note" From ABC News' Clark campaign reporter Deborah Apton: Sometimes there are moments in a campaign when the candidate is … well … real. The camerasoff-jacketsoff-tie-loosened moments when one realizes that the presidential candidate may be enjoying the moment in the spotlight just like any other guy. In retrospect, Clark seemed more Wes Monday than General. Early in the day, Clark did a two-way interview with FOX News from a campaign stop in New Mexico where, in a slightly unprecedented moment in the campaign, Clark got visibly angry on television while sticking up for himself when challenged by anchor David Asman. Asman showed a graphic of Clark's quote from yesterday's "Meet the Press:" "President Bush has said the war in Iraq is a centerpiece for the war on terror. It isn't. it's a sideshow. It's simply their easiest means of access to attack American soldiers. That's all it is?" He then asked if Clark really thinks Iraq was a "sideshow." While Clark began to answer calmly, calling it a "distraction" from U.S.'s real mission of going after bin Laden, Asman then interrupts to ask, "While our men and women are dying in Iraq, is it proper to call it a sideshow?" But here's where it gets heated: CLARK: Don't you dare twist words into disrespect for the men and women in uniform. I love those men and women. I gave 34 years of my life to them. You better take my words the right way. This is about the president of the United States and his leadership. ASMAN: General, I'm just repeating your own words to you. CLARK: No, sir, you are not. You are playing politics … ASMAN: Didn't you say that Iraq was a sideshow? CLARK: No, sir. No, sir. You are playing politics with the men and women in uniform. You are, sir. And I challenge you … (CROSSTALK) ASMAN: I'm sorry, I just read back your own statements, General. CLARK: … take it straight. You take it straight. abcnews.go.com