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To: TigerPaw who wrote (31712)	11/19/2003 11:57:40 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

Clark offers way to fix trans-Atlantic ties By KEVIN LANDRIGAN Telegraph Staff Wednesday, November 19, 2003 nhprimary.com BEDFORD - Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark proposed a new "Atlantic charter'' for America to mend its relations with European allies. Clark said Tuesday that the next president has to improve relationships that President Bush soured with the war against Iraq and other policies. "I call it a new Atlantic charter," Clark said in remarks to a "Politics and Eggs" breakfast forum sponsored by the New England Council at the Bedford Village Inn. "These relationships have to be built upon trust." Clark is a retired, four-star general who served as supreme allied commander of NATO forces in Europe. "This is the irreducible minimum to holding together the trans-Atlantic alliance," Clark said, noting that he would provide specifics about his proposal during a scheduled speech in South Carolina today. Clark told the group there is no comparison between the Clinton administration's war in Kosovo and the Bush war against Iraq. "Honestly, they were polar opposites," he said. In Kosovo, the United States tried to use diplomacy before it launched air strikes to stop the ethnic cleansing of more than one million Albanians under the former government of Slobodan Milosovic, Clark said. The Bush administration was bent on removing Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein from power and never wanted the direct involvement of the United Nations because that would pre-empt military conflict, Clark said. "When we began the war (in Kosovo), all diplomatic options had been exhausted. We had a clear plan for what came after the war. Now look at Iraq. The Republican Party talked about taking out Saddam Hussein before it took office," he said. Next month, Clark will go to The Hague to testify in the war crimes trial against Milosovic. Manchester lawyer Wright Danenbarger asked Clark about the two military campaigns, and he liked the answer. "I think he hit it right on the head. There is a big difference," said Danenbarger, a Democrat who wore a Clark sticker but has yet to make up his mind who to support. "I like (Howard) Dean, but I just think Clark is better going up against Bush." Clark said he opposes relying on standardized test scores under the No Child Left Behind Act. "We don't need to end public education, we need to improve it," he said. At one point, Clark stumbled in describing who would be his choice for vice president as "a man who . . ." Clark quickly added "a man or a woman'' after hearing his wife, Gertrude, prompt the candidate while sitting a few feet away. "Let the record reflect my wife caught me first," he said. "Actually, it may have been a simultaneous catch." Hollywood actor David Keith said he is supporting Clark. "It's hard to find somebody who feels the same way I do," he told reporters.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (31712)	11/20/2003 11:50:25 AM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Uh oh, maybe I should contribute to the RNC. Speaking of wingers, my NRA member boyfriend sent me this slam on the Patriot Act!!!...By Clarence Page Chicago Tribune WASHINGTON -- In our latest episode of continuing adventures with the USA Patriot Act, FBI agents say they have used the new anti-terrorism law to prosecute a political bribery case centered on the owner of some Las Vegas strip clubs. What do topless dancers in Vegas have to do with terrorism, you may ask? Nothing, everyone agrees, unless perhaps you count the violence that some of the ladies inflict on the wallets of their mostly male clientele. Nevertheless, the FBI now confirms local Las Vegas newspaper reports that the agency used the Patriot Act's provisions to subpoena financial information about four local politicians and one local businessman, Michael Galardi, the owner of the Jaguars topless dance clubs in southern Nevada and Cheetah's clubs in Las Vegas and San Diego. The Patriot Act, passed in the panicky weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, allows the government to peak into the personal affairs of many people, not just suspected terrorists. The law's powers only begin with suspected terrorists. We have yet to learn how far it extends. That's the part that Attorney General John Ashcroft does not talk much about as he tours the country touting the powers the Patriot Act has given the federal government to fight terrorism. "We have used these tools to save innocent American lives," Ashcroft told a convention of law officers at the federal courthouse in Las Vegas back in August. "We have used these tools to provide the security that ensures liberty." He neglected to mention how, even as he spoke, Las Vegas FBI agents were using those "tools" to go after a strip club owner and the politicians he allegedly paid off. It turns out that Section 314 of the Patriot Act allows federal investigators wider leeway in obtaining financial information from stockbrokers, banks and other financial institutions on people "suspected, based on credible evidence, of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering." Pay close attention to that last phrase, "or money laundering." Ah, what legal power that little word "or" contains. Thanks to that teeny but mighty conjunction, the Patriot Act is not limited to money laundering that is linked to suspected terrorist acts but to any suspected money laundering. "The Patriot Act was not meant to be just for terrorism," Department of Justice spokesman Mark Corallo told a reporter. Now they tell us. Before the Patriot Act became law, FBI agents needed a subpoena from a grand jury to demand financial records. Under Section 314, agents no longer need trouble themselves with facing a grand jury, which is, after all, made up of only ordinary citizens. Instead, agents need only certify in secret documentation a reasonable suspicion that money laundering is taking place. Only after the case comes to trial can a judge rule on whether the agents' certification was adequate. If not, the judge can throw out all the evidence gathered as a result of the bogus certification, according to the Justice Department spokesmen. Why, one wonders, is the normal subpoena process such a bother, all of a sudden? Since when it is so hard to prosecute public corruption in Las Vegas, a possibility that rivals gambling in Casablanca on most people's shock-o-meters? The Justice Department spokesman said the American people expect law enforcement officers to use any and all constitutional and legal tools to fight all crime, whether it is terror-related or not. Maybe that's so. After all, it is just allegedly corrupt politicians and strip club owners we are talking about here and not the sort of people for whom, say, the Moral Majority would go to bat. Most anti-abortion groups probably felt that way about the federal RICO (Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act) law until pro-choice groups persuaded the federal government to use it against aggressive protests at abortion clinics. Anti-abortion groups cheered when the Supreme Court overturned that use of anti-crime law by 8-to-1 last spring in the Scheidler v. NOW case. Now we shall wait to see how many of those same groups join hands with civil libertarians as the government overreaches with the Patriot Act. Some members of Congress on both sides of the aisle are expressing reservations about the potential for wretched governmental excesses under the Patriot Act. Fortunately, the law must be renewed in 2005. That gives Congress time to reconsider its 342 pages in a calmer atmosphere than that which followed the 2001 terrorist attacks. I hope they debate wisely. Concern for civil liberties should be equally important to both political parties. After all, the privacy you save may be your own. -----