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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (119964)	11/19/2003 7:08:45 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<you think the US Constitution is illegitimate.> No. I said I considered Bush's election illegitimate, for the reasons listed. It is illegitimate, precisely because it didn't follow the Constitution. Where does the Constitution say the Supreme Court gets to decide a tie or contested result? It doesn't. If we had followed the Constitution, and still chosen Bush, that would have been a legitimate but undemocratic result. Legitimate, because it followed the lawful previously-agreed procedure. Undemocratic, because the person with the most total votes lost (and I mean votes of the electorate, not in the Electoral College or the Supreme Court). The solution is: 1. take the oversight and control of elections away from partisan officials. 2. abolish the Electoral College, and go to a straight vote of the people. 3. have a run-off, in the case nobody gets a majority.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (119964)	11/19/2003 8:15:07 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

>>>1. one person one vote. The electoral college system violates this Never mind anything else - you think the US Constitution is illegitimate. Every presidential election has been via the electoral college. I guess you think none of them were legitimate, right ? Aside from the simplistic nature of the idea of throwing out the electoral college, given the structure of the United States, I seem to recall a bout of clownishness on the part of the French with their first round / second round electoral system, where an extreme right wing demagogue-buffooon knocked out the mainstream Socialist candidate.