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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: American Spirit who wrote (1202)	11/19/2003 11:09:44 AM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

You'll never convince me of the validity of Kerry's actions post Vietnam, no matter how much you spin it... Don't forget that Dems started Vietnam either.

To: American Spirit who wrote (1202)	11/19/2003 12:05:20 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

Ha! Further proof of just how ignorant you really are. Every man who died after 1972 (more than 10,000?) could have been saved if Kerry and his fellow Vets Against the War had gotten through to Nixon. Nixon promised a "secret plan" to end the war to win in 1972 but it was all a big lie to swipe the election. The war kept going until 1976 and thousands of extra Americans died as a result, and for no cause, strategy or reason. FYI, AmSpit, there were no US forces killed in the Vietnam War "after 1972", much less "more than 10,000" - it ended with a truce signed in January 1973, shortly after Nixon was reelected. And since you'll surely reply with some nonsense about thousands killed IN 1972, let me go ahead and fill you in there as well - 300 US troops were KIA in 1972 and 261 died "non-hostile" deaths that year. Don't believe me? Ask www.vietnamwall.org. You see, AS, by the time McGovern was preparing for his landslide loss in 1972, the US was already pretty much withdrawn from Vietnam. But in spite of that, the south was still able to repel a major NVA offensive in 1972. Of course, once the truce was signed, the US congress abandoned South Vietnam, a sovereign nation which had pleaded for American help just over a decade before, to further suffering and eventual defeat at the hands of communist forces. You should be very proud of Kerry for his contributions to that. And contrary to your claims, Kerry did nothing to protect those who were still there when he was home, enjoying his newfound political celebrity status. You see, he was making speeches in front of big North Vietnamese flags and actively fighting along side his domestic communist friends for the US to end the war on terms dictated by North Vietnam, abandoning American POWs to a "we have nothing to offer you, but please let them go" negotiating position. Kerry may have earned medals in battle, but he is no hero. Heroes show more respect and caring for those who weren't as lucky as them.