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To: FaultLine who wrote (16814)11/19/2003 5:39:31 PM
From: Ish  Respond to of 793685
 
<<Just do not approve of sending tax money on church schools.>>

My situation, I paid $6,500 in school taxes this year in property taxes. No kids and will never have any. Guy in a doublewide down the road has 4 kids in school and pays $45. Now the school district spends an average of $7,500 a year on each student and they get a diploma if they can't spell cat if you spot them the c@t. The Lutheran School turns out kids that in the 8th grade are ahead of the graduating seniors in public school for, gasp, $3,200 a year. Why shouldn't I be able to direct my tax dollars to the Lutheran School? Better product at less cost.



To: FaultLine who wrote (16814)11/19/2003 9:24:21 PM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793685
 
>>>"You are misquoting me, uw."<<<

FL,
Sorry about that. Did not mean too and do not believe I did. I don't think I quoted you at all.

Message 19517318

The quote of yours, regarding schools, I referred to is below.

"The Conservatives really ought to ask themselves how they ended up on the madrassa side of this issue."

Message 19515784

Later, you said...
"Just do not approve of sending tax money on church schools."

I'll give you that second opinion FL, but it sure sounds a helluva lot different than the first...the one I referred to in my post.

The Madrassa schools are about a whole lot more than the money sources to run them. Equating a Madrassa school to a typical American private school (regardless of funding) is outrageous. That is the point Michael was making.

I understand the demos have to stretch to create issues.
But attempting to pin non-existent, Madrassa type education of American children on Republicans still makes me shake my head especially since I agree with this post...

siliconinvestor.com
uw



To: FaultLine who wrote (16814)11/20/2003 6:41:14 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793685
 
It's nice to be able to follow the Legislative "nuts and bolts" with Weintraub

California Insider
A Weblog by
Sacramento Bee Columnist Daniel Weintraub
November 19, 2003

Fun while it lasted
Strange and rather tense hearing today of the Assembly Budget Committee. The panel called Finance Director Donna Arduin to testify on Gov. Schwarzenegger’s fiscal plans but double-booked her with the Legislature's own financial analyst, Elizabeth Hill. Although Arduin was asked to appear at 10 a.m., then told she wasn’t needed until 10:30, Hill went on first and Arduin wasn’t called to testify until after 11:30. Arduin had a meeting with the governor scheduled for noon, so the late start sharply limited the time she could spend with the members. The morning’s mood was further fouled when Arduin, suffering from a sinus infection, asked if she could sit at the witness table rather than stand to deliver her report. The Committee Chairwoman, Jenny Oropeza, asked her to stand which Arduin did until finally giving up half-way through her presentation and deciding to sit, with or without permission.

Arduin gave a pretty good explanation of the problem facing her new boss: $25 billion in debt and a $14 billion annual structural gap between spending and revenues. She said that Schwarzenegger’s bond proposal, which he wants to keep at $15 billion or less, is, in her view, a repackaging of a piece of that current debt, not a taking on of new obligations. She continued the administration strategy of trying to blur the effect of the car tax cut on the numbers. She characterized the $3.6 billion obligation to local governments this year to make up for the loss in car tax revenue as part of Schwarzenegger’s inherited problem because, in the administration’s opinion, the tax was raised illegally and had to be rescinded. Arduin didn't endear herself to the members when, at one point, she slipped and referred to the state as Florida,”where she worked as budget chief for Jeb Bush until coming into Schwarzenegger's employ.

The committee’s decision not to call on Arduin until late in the morning, and her prior commitment, meant there was little time for questions. Never bashful, Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg jumped right in, peppering Arduin with queries about the bond measure, the car tax, the structural gap. Goldberg asked if Arduin thought the governor’s bond measure, if placed on the March ballot, would scare voters away from a big school bond measure scheduled for the same day. When Arduin paused before answering, and sought some guidance from her chief deputy, she left some members and many in the audience wondering if she knew that the school bond measure was pending. (She said later that she did.)

Then, as Goldberg was following up, the hour of noon arrived and Arduin abruptly stood, gathered her papers and excused herself from the hearing, leaving Goldberg looking stunned and administration aides behind to answer the lawmakers’ remaining questions. I guess the honeymoon is over.
sacbee.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (16814)11/20/2003 10:15:27 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793685
 
Feinstein's smart. She stays in the middle. Makes her tough to beat. Lindybill@grumblegrumble.com

Feinstein may back drug bill for seniors
Moderate Dems could give Bush a major victory
Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Thursday, November 20, 2003
©2003 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback

URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/20/MNGDO368UK1.DTL



Washington -- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein is among a handful of moderate Democrats who are poised to vote for the Medicare prescription drug bill, potentially handing President Bush an enormous domestic policy victory heading into next year's elections.

Health care lobbyists predicted Wednesday that the highly controversial reform measure -- which would constitute the biggest expansion of Medicare since it was created in 1965 -- will pass the House and Senate by the end of this week with the aid of moderate Democrats in both chambers.

Feinstein is often a bellwether in the Senate on significant bills that aim for bipartisan support. When she said she was "inclined" to vote for the measure, most vote counters put her in the unofficial "yes" column.

"There are still a number of serious issues that need to be examined, but I am inclined to vote for it depending on how the scoring comes out," Feinstein said Wednesday. "The California medical community has lined up in favor of the measure, and for lower income people who have nothing now, it's a good bill."

Capitol Hill was engulfed in intense lobbying Wednesday as Democratic leaders struggled to rally their troops to oppose a prescription drug benefit the Bush administration considers essential to its re-election prospects. Democrats see it as the beginning of the end of one of the Great Society's most popular and enduring legacies.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco led a rally by the Alliance for Retired Americans, calling the group "the cavalry coming to storm the Hill for American seniors. ... My promise to you is Democrats will work day and night against this shameful Republican bill that you have so rightly called a lemon."

Republicans and the White House also fought to win over reluctant conservatives, sending in former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich to convince doubters that the measure contains adequate market reforms.

"The buzz this morning was they took the bait," a health care lobbyist said.

Influential conservative think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute have been railing against the bill for months as a wrong- headed expansion of a $245 billion-a-year entitlement program that will wind up costing hundreds of billions of dollars more than advertised and fail to introduce health-care competition for seniors. The Heritage Foundation calls it an "egregiously terrible bill likely to cause irreparable harm both to Medicare and the U.S. economy."

Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, the Democratic Party's torchbearer on health care, slammed the bill Wednesday in the Senate but stopped short of a filibuster threat that could potentially kill the measure by requiring Republicans to gain a 60-vote supermajority for passage.

Kennedy called the bill "a Trojan horse to destroy the Medicare program" and an "enormous give-away to insurance companies and an enormous take-away from senior citizens."

But Democrats were fighting uphill after the powerful AARP endorsed the measure Monday and opened a $7 million advertising campaign in leading newspapers to back it, saying "The proposed prescription drug Medicare bill isn't perfect. But millions of Americans can't afford to wait for perfect."

A vote-counting lobbyist said several moderate Democrats and Republicans "have been given some backbone by the AARP endorsement."

Pelosi blasted the AARP, saying its executive director, Bill Novelli, "helped write Newt Gingrich's book on how to destroy Medicare. So take that back to your seniors."

Pelosi, along with Bay Area House Democrats Lynn Woolsey, George Miller, Pete Stark, Ellen Tauscher and Barbara Lee, joined Lois Capps of Santa Barbara,

in resigning in protest from AARP, which counts 35 million Americans older than 50 as its members.

Democrats are caught between supporting a bill that offers a long- promised prescription drug benefit but also introduces measures intended to increase private-sector competition in a program covering 40 million people, one-tenth of whom live in California.

The bill aims to provide limited drug coverage for seniors starting in 2006, including coverage of all catastrophic costs after out-of-pocket costs reach $3,600, with additional aid for low-income seniors. A drug discount card would be made available in 2004. The more controversial provisions would inject market forces to Medicare through tax-free health savings accounts and pilot projects starting in six cities in 2010 in which seniors could choose between Medicare or private health plans such as preferred provider organizations. If Medicare is more expensive than a market benchmark, seniors would pay the difference.

The two Senate Democrats who helped Republicans craft the bill, Louisiana's John Breaux and Montana's Max Baucus, argued forcefully that the result is a sound compromise and probably the last chance for Congress, after years of effort, to introduce a prescription drug benefit into Medicare, before presidential politics and future budget pressures intervene.

Feinstein said she had not definitively made up her mind and could still oppose the bill depending on a number of factors, including whether congressional budget officials estimate that its price tag goes much over the $400 billion for the next 10 years that Congress and the White House have allotted.

California Sen. Barbara Boxer also said she has not decided how to vote, but added she is concerned that the measure "begins the privatization of Medicare and in many ways its dismantling." She noted that the final bill is still not finished and could change in ways that make her more or less likely to vote for it.

But she said her preliminary estimates show it could hurt "tens of thousands of Californians," by doing such things as inducing employers to drop health care benefits for retirees, a trend already well under way.

Boxer acknowledged a political risk either way.

Supporters of the current package contend that the drug benefit would be entirely voluntary. Many Democrats hope, and Republicans suspect, that if the new benefit comes up short, future Congresses will be quick to expand it.

The risk in voting against the package, Boxer said, is "You have to say, 'I wanted a better bill,' and some people might say, 'Well Barbara, you know, you should have just done this.' ''



To: FaultLine who wrote (16814)11/24/2003 8:25:31 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793685
 
IRAN RUNAROUND
NEW YORK POST
By PETER BROOKES

November 24, 2003 -- WITH $8 billion a year in trade and a deal pending to up that ante even more, the European Union is Iran's largest trading partner. And it appears that the E.U. - led by France, Germany and Britain - may now value those trade privileges over the principle of opposing the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), reported recently that Iran had secretly manufactured small amounts of highly-enriched uranium and plutonium - violating the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Further, the report noted, Tehran had deliberately hidden the evidence from the IAEA for almost two decades.

The E.U. reaction? It wants to give Iran a chance to put the nuclear genie back in the bottle. Figure the odds of that happening.

Specifically, the European Union opposes a get-tough U.N. resolution on Iran's nuke program, discussed last week at the IAEA meeting in Vienna. (The talks were so divisive; they will continue again this week starting Wednesday.)

Secretary of State Colin Powell warns that the Europeans are being too lenient with the Iranians. He wants Iran's nuclear transgressions referred to the U.N. Security Council for action, including possible economic sanctions.

Clearly, the E.U. has no stomach for another diplomatic showdown on the scale of Iraq for the moment. But if the international community fails to take tough action now against Iran, Tehran will join the nuclear club before you can say "ayatollah."

How? Here's a dirty little secret from the rogue regime playbook: The U.N.'s Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) has a dangerous loophole. Under the guise of a peaceful, civilian nuclear energy program, a state can openly develop - right under the nose of the IAEA - most of what it needs for a nuclear-weapons program. It worked for North Korea and it's working for Iran today.



On this side of the Atlantic, heart palpitations are in order when contemplating nukes in the hands of a regime that is:

* The world's most active state sponsor of terrorism,

* Bent on the destruction of the United States and Israel, and

* Aspiring to dominance in the Persian Gulf.

But E.U. hearts appear unfluttered by all that. The top concern of Europe's leaders seems to be preserving - and expanding - lucrative trade relationships with Tehran.

Iran has the world's third-largest oil reserves. So far, European firms have invested $10.5 billion in those fields. But 50 percent to 70 percent of the profits from those investments - everything the investors don't collect -go directly to Tehran's treasury.

From there, the money funds such nefarious activities as political repression, acquisition of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical and biological) and terrorism - most often directed against Israel.

But back to Iran's nukes. Only a united international front can contain the mullah's atomic efforts. If we don't address Iran's nuclear ambitions with vigor and verve, we'll end up in the same situation we have today with North Korea, where a nasty regime possesses nasty weapons.

If the international community is serious about preventing the spread of the world's most dangerous weapons, here's what it must do in the short-term:

* The 35-member IAEA should declare Iran in violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and forward the resolution to the U.N. Security Council (UNSC) for action.

* The UNSC should set strong terms for compliance, including no-notice inspections and intrusive monitoring.

* Any Iranian noncompliance should trigger immediate multilateral U.N. economic sanctions.

* The E.U. must freeze its pending trade pact with Iran until Tehran demonstrates - not just promises - that it no longer seeks to become a nuclear power.

If Iran has, indeed, decided to come clean on its "peaceful" (ha!) nuclear program, sanctions and other confrontational moves may not be required - over this issue.

But even so, Iran's trading partners should stop closing their eyes to the deeds that commerce with Iran is supporting, and adjust accordingly. Because giving each other the runaround on Iran, isn't in anyone's interest - except Tehran's.

nypost.com