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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: mph who wrote (1291)	11/19/2003 8:53:56 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Kerry helped end that war. He did save thousands. His activities began in about 1970, not 1972. The war did not end until 1975.

To: mph who wrote (1291)	11/19/2003 9:09:23 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

I'll take that last post of yours as an admission of your misrepresentations. No, he's revising his misrepresentation - hell, call it what it is - his lie, trying to tell us now that he really meant thousands of Vietnamese had died, not thousands of Americans. He can't document a single combat death of an American after the Paris Peace Accords and he knows it, so he's changing his story rather than admitting (to himself even, forget us) he was dead wrong. Now he's digging himself into a deeper pit of foolishness by claiming that the American deaths "dropped off some as we began to pull out (or something to that effect) in 1973." What he doesn't realize is that he's the only one here so stupid he can't simply look up the factual record and see that the last US combat troops shipped out of Vietnam on March 29, 1973, with Nixon declaring "the day we have all worked and prayed for has finally come." But what is truly amazing is that he apparently has no idea that US troop withdrawals began less than six months after Nixon's first inauguration, on July 8, 1969. I mean SHEESH! This information really isn't hard to find. What's wrong with this guy?

To: mph who wrote (1291)	11/19/2003 11:44:11 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Kerry was hard at work trying to end the war 3 years before the first US pull-outs and five years before it was finally over. Three years is a long time and a ton of US troops died in that period. Your haughty cynicism about the tens of thousands of Americans who died is sad. It seems you have no respect for either our war heros or war victims, especially if they're not American. Consider the fact that about 400,000 of our allies died and 700,000 of our enemies, who now are no longer our enemies. Plus maybe millions if wounded and ruined lives and in today's dollar terms trillions in tax-payer money, mostly deficit financing, big chunks of which also then went to Bectel and Halliburton (Brown + Root). Same old game huh? Just no oil that time around. To try an cleanse Vietnam War hstory id abominable. Instead, as Kerry says, we should make damn sure we have learned from the lessons of Nam, lessons we learned the hardest way possible.