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Politics : HOWARD DEAN -THE NEXT PRESIDENT? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (480)11/19/2003 11:13:39 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha  Respond to of 3079
 
" I don't think I'll be visiting the right wing extremist for pros anytime soon! ""

LOL!!! Indeed....

Poor Lindy's last straw was when I told him :

" We have just begun to fight "....quoting Dear Winston C.

I had made mince meat out of most of his " position(s) ", that would be " for " or " against " BTW.Mostly anything for was Bush policy,anything against was anything that wasn't or was critical of Bush's ...cough..cough..policy.?

It seems to be a given now.They can't embark on an intelligent discussion,never could really,but are in the drivers seat on this bus to hell they have fired up.

Like them,Bush appears to be answerable to no one, and due to the make up of the American political structure,he most often doesn't have to.( until elections )He makes speeches in friendly forums where he is not questioned, and can say pretty much whatever he wants without having to defend it in the light of day.

It is then left to the pundits and the poor excuse for anything resembling journalism to sanitize. Bush made a speech today that must have had the noeCON's knees trembling with admiration.But that's the problem.It's just a speech to a friendly audience.Reminds me of Castro.

heh heh

Well,have to run.

Lou Dobs ( fair and balanced right winger :0 )is about to thrash Dean’s dereg. Policies.

I love Lou…he’s soooooooooo predictable.

L8tr



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (480)11/19/2003 11:16:06 PM
From: elpolvo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3079
 
lizzie-

I accidentally find out there are these *other threads* where RWEs go to crosslink anybody's post that they don't agree with from the Pros thread and talk about them behind their back, here is one...

that's a one person thread (with wife support only).
take a deep breath. relax. as much as it wants to be...
it's NOT a vast right wing conspiracy.

haha.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (480)11/20/2003 7:55:40 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3079
 
How's Business? "The Predator Class"

commondreams.org

Published on Wednesday, November 19, 2003 by CBSNews.com
The Predator Class
by Dick Meyer

The stock market boom of the 1990s, the proliferation of 401(k) plans and the mass use of mutual funds so greatly increased the number of Americans who own equities that a new demographic term was born: the investor class.

The emerging accounts of thievery in the world of mutual funds confirm, for me at least, something I have suspected since the go-go 1980s -- the existence of an economic predator class.

I believe there is now a professional, well-trained elite, supported by large institutions, that is adept and willing to use corrupt practices to accumulate wealth. Despite assurances from game-theorists and anthropologists that the criminal cadre in the species remains a constant percentage over time, I believe today's mainstream, sanitized, and institutionally sanctioned financial crime rackets are being run by a new breed of crook. There have always been scandals and crooks in the history of American money, but our predator class is a distinct creation of the late 20th century.

I believe there is no way the counter-class made up of regulators, watchdogs and do-gooders and hack columnists can match wits with the predator class. Today's piles of money are so huge, great fortunes can be amassed by swiping the tiniest of slices in the wiliest of ways long before picked pockets are discovered.

I also believe that my darling baby-boom generation and our successors in gens x and y, reared in raised consciousness, righteousness and me-first, are probably to blame.

The docket of this still running corporate crime spree has grown far too long to be dismissed as either a passing fluke, a few bad eggs or as regularly scheduled financial event. It is a more permanent condition of commercial culture. And it is barely scorned.

It is partly, of course, simple Wall Street and boardroom greed, a cousin to the greed and gargantuan rewards in entertainment and sports. It is partly the degradation of professional standards, of the concept of the fiduciary, akin to the same market-driven devolution in divergent fields such as medical care, Hollywood, publishing and, yes, journalism.

My guess is that financial historians will start the clock in this epoch with the big merger scandals of the 1980's -- Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken and scads of lesser cads. Next came the long running, now forgotten, S&L scandals. Then a lull (maybe), punctuated by the pretty picture of the tech boom. That delusional portrait was been redrawn when we learned of the rigged IPO's, insider trading, completely corrupt "analysis" practices at the Wall Street giants and old-fashioned flimflam.

Coveting the vast instant riches of the techno-boomers and baby billionaires was way more than many titans of less glamorous industries could bear and in virtually all companies executive salaries soared beyond all proportions of the post-war era. And in many of those executive suites, greed morphed into felony -- Tyco, Enron, Rite-Aid, Adelphia, Global Crossing, WorldCom, ImClone, Lucent, KMart, MicroStrategy, Qwest Communications. And then scandals at the supposed auditors, like Arthur Andersen, insulted the injury.

As the market turned down, the corporate crime spree didn't wane as some theorists said it should. Hot stocks, IPO's, M&A were no longer where the Willy Suttons with MBAs, Turnbull & Asser shirts and Patek Philipe watches saw the money. They saw it in those huge piles of money accumulated by working people for savings and retirement -- corporate pension funds, public pension funds, 401(k)'s and mutual funds. Who would notice a few mil or bil siphoned off in arcane late-trading deals? They'll never know what hit them.

So, pension funds were raided, an entirely legal scandal. And now we're learning about the mutual fund grifting rampage that may affect Main Street as much as prior fiascos: Putnam, Alger Management, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, Strong Capital Management, PBHG Funds, Bank One Corp., Alliance Capital, Janus Capital Group are some of the implicated names.

So now we'll be told that the market, smarter than any deliberately organized system, will correct this. After all, who would invest in a known corrupt game? No one, so the market will fix it. Plus, the regulators are on the case.

This time, I don't buy it. The predator class will not be exterminated by cease and desist orders, Senate hearings, independent boards of directors and the invisible hand. It's a culture. And essentially, it's our culture.

Dick Meyer, the Editorial Director of CBSNews.com, has covered politics and government in Washington for 20 years and has won the Investigative Reporters and Editors, Alfred I. Dupont, and Society of Professional Journalists awards for investigative journalism.

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The irony is that CBS Marketwatch is currently hosting a stock promoter/analyst named Thom Calandra who appears to be very much part of the Predator Class:

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