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To: unclewest who wrote (16909)11/20/2003 6:32:02 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793738
 
Look for excellent articles explaining their position in the December magazine issue.

And we need to remember that we are playing "inside politics" here. The average AARP member hasn't a clue other than what AARP tells them.

I have a personal stake in this bill, and I can't figure out for sure how it is going to effect me. The fact that I belong to Kaiser, and that they will make me join and juggle the benefits against their costs, makes it impossible for me to figure out a cost/benefit ratio. I can guess that it will reduce my drug bills if I ever have any of consequence. Right now my Drug bill is $8.00 a month for BP meds. So it will cost me money to start. But I have no way of predicting what my bills may be in the future, except that I probably will get sick and need drugs.



To: unclewest who wrote (16909)11/20/2003 7:08:43 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793738
 
I couldn't make something like this up. "Volokh" blog

From: Los Angeles County [mailto:brojas@isd.co.la.ca.us]
Subject: IDENTIFICATION OF EQUIPMENT SOLD TO LA COUNTY

The County of Los Angeles actively promotes and is committed to ensure a work environment that is free from any discriminatory influence be it actual or perceived. As such, it is the County's expectation that our manufacturers, suppliers and contractors make a concentrated effort to ensure that any equipment, supplies or services that are provided to County departments do not possess or portray an image that may be construed as offensive or defamatory in nature.

One such recent example included the manufacturer's labeling of equipment where the words ''Master/Slave'' appeared to identify the primary and secondary sources. Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label.
volokh.com



To: unclewest who wrote (16909)11/20/2003 8:59:02 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793738
 
"If it's about the lives of my men and their safety, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can,"

Officer facing charges
would do it again
West: To protect my men 'I'd go through hell with a gasoline can'
World Net Daily
Posted: November 19, 2003
2:49 p.m. Eastern

Lt. Col. Allen West admitted during an emotional preliminary hearing today he used wrong methods to extract information from an Iraqi detainee but insisted American lives were at stake.

Accused of threatening to kill the Iraqi if he didn't disclose details of an imminent plot against U.S. soldiers, West was asked by his defense attorney if he would do it again.

"If it's about the lives of my men and their safety, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can," he said, according to Reuters.

"But that's what's going on out there in the streets here, and that's how I feel about my boys," he told the hearing, held in Saddam Hussein's hometown Tikrit. "There is not a person in this room I would not sacrifice my life for."

West, his voice breaking with emotion, said he had told the families of the men and women in his 4th Infantry battalion before leaving for Iraq he would bring them home alive.

"I know the method I used was not the right method," he said. "I was going to do anything to intimidate and scare him, but I was not going to endanger his life."

Yesterday, West's attorney argued the officer should not be court martialed.

"He doesn't deny doing what is alleged in the charges, but we as a defense team deny the criminality of the charges," said lawyer Neal Puckett, according to Reuters. "Given the circumstances, he hasn't committed any crimes."

Lt. Col. Allen B. West and wife, Angela, in undated family photo (Courtesy Angela West)

As WorldNetDaily reported, under threat of an attack, West took charge of the interrogation of an Iraqi policeman, Yahya Jhodri Hamoody, determined to flush out details as he warned subordinates "it could get ugly." Threatening to kill the Iraqi if he didn't talk, West fired a pistol near the policeman's head, prompting a flow of information that led to arrests and the possible foiling of a deadly attack.

West claims he was the target of an assassination plot, and members of his unit had been attacked by guerrillas linked to the policeman. But Army prosecutors believe his actions on Aug. 21 in the town of Saba al Boor, near Tikrit, violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He has been charged with aggravated assault and faces a wide range of possible outcomes from no disciplinary action to a sentence of up to eight years in prison.

The prosecutors gave West a choice – face charges or resign early, losing retirement benefits. The 19-year veteran was scheduled to reach his 20-year retirement one week ago. West chose to face the charges, but already he has been relieved of his position, effectively ending a decorated military career that included a bronze star and another medal for valor in combat.

The preliminary hearing, which began yesterday, is taking place at a military base set up inside a complex of opulent palaces established in Tikrit by Saddam. The hearing room, lit by chandeliers, has marble floors and walls.

When the hearing is complete, possibly today or tomorrow, the presiding officer will assess whether there is sufficient evidence for a court martial. The 4th Infantry's top officer, Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, will then decide how to handle the case. He can choose not to proceed with a court martial even if the presiding officer thinks it's warranted.

The Army issued a statement on West's case, charging West beat Hamoody around the head and body.

West said he watched without intervening as his men beat Hamoody, who had information, the troops believed, about plots to attack them.

Other officers testifying at the hearing said the plots included an imminent plan to kill West, Reuters reported.

When Hamoody refused to reveal information, West said he took the policeman outside and forced him over a sandbox used by soldiers to clear their weapons.

"I placed my left hand against the side of his head and fired away from him," West said, according to Reuters.

As a result, Hamoody revealed plans to establish a sniper position near a police station visited by West's soldiers.

Yesterday, a witness, Pvt. Michael Johnson, said he and other soldiers "weren't hitting him as hard as we possibly could."

The private, when asked to describe the policeman's reaction, said, according to the news wire, "He was curling up in a ball."

Intelligence information indicated Hamoody was involved in plots to attack U.S. troops, several soldiers testified, although one sergeant said there was no evidence of it.

Johnson, recalling the incident in question, said the policeman was taken outside after interrogators were unable to get him to talk.

After West fired the pistol near Hamoody's head, into the sandbox, the policeman was scared, he was really scared," Johnson said.

Before leaving for Iraq, West's attorney, Puckett, told WND he had received about 100 e-mails in support of his client, some from veterans who served in Korea and Vietnam.

"Nearly everyone says this guy is an American hero who should be commended rather than court martialed," Puckett said.

West said in an e-mail to the Washington Times, "I have never denied what happened and have always been brutally honest."

"I accept responsibility for the episode, but my intent was to scare this individual and keep my soldiers out of a potential ambush," he continued. "There were no further attacks from that town. We further apprehended two other conspirators (a third fled town) and found out one of the conspirators was the father of a man we had detained for his Saddam Fedeyeen affiliation."

West said Hamoody "and his accomplices were a threat to our soldiers and the method was not right, but why should I lose 20 years of service or be forced into prison for protecting my men?"

Puckett said if citizens want to express their view, they can contact their Congress members in the House of Representatives and the Senate or the Army. An e-mail to the Defense Department can be sent via this page by clicking the "Ask a question/Make a comment" tab at the top of the page.

West can be contacted by e-mail and his wife has her own e-mail address.

Angela West has set up a legal fund for her husband with the following address: Allen West Defense Fund c/o Angela West, 6823 Coleman Drive, Ft. Hood, TX 76544.
worldnetdaily.com



To: unclewest who wrote (16909)11/20/2003 9:07:48 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793738
 
Robin Sage - At green-beret school, the final exam is two weeks long.

— NRO Contributor Jed Babbin was a deputy undersecretary of defense in the first Bush administration, and is currently an MSNBC military analyst.

Entering the guerilla camp, I saw the place was a mess in more ways than one. There were no perimeter guards. The prior night's fire was still smoldering. Its remnants testified to a bonfire that could have been seen for miles had it not been for the dense pine forest all around. Equipment — weapons, backpacks, and sleeping bags — were scattered all over the place. Most of the "G's" — guerillas in SF-speak — were clustered around the two Army Special Forces men who were talking to the guerilla chief. They were trying patiently — and in vain — to get the chief to focus on any subject for more than 30 seconds at a time. He seemed more interested in what they had in their rucksacks than anything else. The SF guys, who had hiked all night to get there, were part of a dozen-man "A-team." The other ten were about a quarter of a mile away, waiting for a signal to come in. They must have heard the shots the guerilla chief fired into the air, and wondered just what the hell was going on. It's all part of the two-week final exam at the Army Special Forces School.

The exercise is called Robin Sage, and for the trainees, it's the end of the "Q" course — the qualifications course — that trains these warriors in the specialized tasks they must perform in the war against terrorism. For Robin Sage, about a third of North Carolina becomes the "Peoples' Republic of Pineland." Trainee A-teams are inserted all through the huge national forest, aiming to contact faux guerilla groups. They succeed if they can establish a rapport with the "G's" and begin training them to survive, work, and fight. Most of the G's are former Green Berets and others hired to role-play, and their aim is not to make it easy. Many local citizens play roles too, and one of the local radio stations even broadcasts coded messages to the teams. To succeed in the real-world version of Robin Sage, the Army special forces have to be a bit different from our other spec ops.

People picture special forces as guys with painted faces crashing through doors, lasing targets for an air strikes, or — in the lasting image of the Afghanistan campaign — charging the fort at Mazar-e-Sharif on horseback. There is all that, and much more. All our spec-ops guys are smarter than the average bear, and more dangerous. The Army SF guys are no exception, but they focus on a different mission: insurgency and counter-insurgency operations. For that, they need a slightly different kind of guy. As Maj. Carstens explained, "we want men who can thrive in an ambiguous environment."

When I walked into the ready shack the afternoon before, I saw about 60 Michelin men getting ready to waddle out to waiting aircraft. The few who could stand — each laden with about 150 pounds of equipment, food, and parachutes — leaned back against the walls, or each other. The ones lying on the floor looked more like piles of rucksacks than people. They were the lucky ones who would be parachuted in. The others would spend several hours in a disorienting ride in the back of 18-wheelers, or fly to the insertion point in blacked-out helos.

I asked some of the Michelin men why they were there. I got only two answers: "After 9/11, I want a piece of the bad guys," and "I like the challenge" were their refrains. SF trainees are older than the usual soldier. Most are veterans of other Army units, and some are recruited directly in what's called the "18-X" program. The "18-Xers" come here right after advanced infantry training. So far, "18-Xray" has brought in a Wall Street bond broker, an endurance runner who gave up corporate sponsorships to volunteer, a Navy A-6 Intruder pilot, a catcher from the New York Yankees farm team, and a New York cop whose brother was killed on 9/11. That these guys have years of experience before coming to SF benefits the force enormously. They broaden viewpoints and thus strengthen judgments.

However they insert, the trainees first had to find a local "contact" (who could be a farmer milking his cow or a teenage girl on horseback) and then get to the "G camp" by dawn the next day on foot, on mule-back, and over whatever obstacles the training cadre had designed to make their night miserable. (One kinda reliable source told me that catching the trainees off-guard and stampeding their mules is great fun.)

The trainees who reach the Robin Sage exercise have already passed through many tests of skill and character. The Special Forces School used to be a gauntlet for applicants to run through. Now, Carstens and the instructor cadre try to mentor the trainees. Many are weeded out, but most pass. And mentoring isn't always available. At one point or another in Robin Sage, the "guerillas" will try to involve the trainees in what may be a simulated war crime. How the trainees deal with it tells a lot about how fit they really are for SF duty. Guerilla forces can be as bad as they are good and our guys have to know where to draw the line with them. Carstens and his guys look very closely at how each trainee handles the problem.

I'm terribly jealous of Roger Carstens. An athlete of course, a scholarly type, and a good writer (he's written for NRO even), Carstens commands F Company, which runs the "Q Course." Among the many reasons I'm jealous is that I've met some of the men he works with. Yes, he's their boss, and can issue orders as he needs to. But my distinct impression is that he doesn't have to very often. If you'd met some of these guys, you'd know why. Consider Chief Bryant and MSgt. Caseman.

Bart Bryant grew up in a Pennsylvania farming community. A soft-spoken guy, he reads history and hunts deer when he has time. After joining the army in 1988, Bryant was sent to Germany as a military policeman. Bryant volunteered for SF because a senior enlisted man — an injured SF guy — had told him that SF was where the action is.

Bryant has seen a lot of real-world action. He went to northern Iraq, working in rough country with rough people, the Kurds along the Iranian border. The SF Tenth Group had preceded Bryant's bunch, and had established a very good relationship with the "G's." Infiltrating terrorists didn't fare well in that area. Bryant and the SF guys did.

Bryant likes the "Nintendo generation" guys coming through the school. "There are hundreds of thousands of kids in this country who can carry 150-pound rucksacks and shoot expert," Bryant told me. "But out of those guys there are very few that can operate in the kinds of environments we operate in." Ok, why? "In the environments we work in, a solution to the problem at hand may cause other problems in the future. You really have to think through the third-order effects of everything you're doing." Chess players, guys who can see two or three moves down the board? "Absolutely. They have to not just look at a fifty-meter target and think if I aim here, I'm gonna hit it. But they gotta look beyond that target and see the effects of hitting it."

Joe Caseman is a bit of an extrovert. He told me he went to college and "had more fun than I should've," so he got a job. Caseman joined the army in 1980 and is now the NCOIC (head enlisted guy) of Detachment 4, which runs the Robin Sage exercise. Caseman served in Afghanistan, and — like Bryant and the other instructors at the school — brought home lessons learned on the battlefield. He too has a great respect for the trainees. "When I came through, I knew I was going to graduate, go to a team, and travel the world. These guys know that when they graduate, they're going into a desert somewhere and get to the two-way live fire."

What does Caseman want the grads to take out of Robin Sage? "It's for them to at least have seen what it's like working with indigenous forces in a peacetime environment. When we found out that we were going to Afghanistan and we were going to be taking these G's in, the only thing we had to look back to was our Robin Sage." In Afghanistan, operating from a forward firebase, with a hilltop behind it, Caseman's unit was expecting a resupply mission one night. Having told the guerillas they were operating with to sit tight, they sent a recon patrol to the hilltop, which returned with a negative report. As night fell, Caseman's men spotted another group coming over that same hill. Instead of opening fire, their judgment caused them to take a risk. They sent another patrol to see what was up. It was some of the friendly guerillas, who decided to have a look for themselves, and hadn't bothered to tell the SF guys what they were up to. The guerillas learned a lesson, and all it cost was another long uphill walk.

The shock came when I asked how SF was dealing with the usual shortages. Every time I ask any military guy about shortages, I hear a litany of complaints about Congress and Fort Fumble. But not from these guys. "It's a good time to be in SF," said Carstens. Because everyone from Big Dog Rumsfeld on down is impressed with what special forces have done in Afghanistan and Iraq, the money is flowing, and the resources are there. But success has a cost: Over the next two years or so, the output of the SF school has to double. Even with the money, there's a serious problem. SF veterans — like Caseman and Bryant — are in short supply and can't be spared from the battlefield. How do you get enough back to the school to ensure that the quality of the graduates doesn't atrophy?

Carstens says they can do it. "Everyone understands the issue, and the sergeant majors are all over this." He is confident that SF community will come up with some innovative and real solutions. Having seen a little of how he and his guys work, I'd bet the ranch on it.

nationalreview.com