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To: sea_urchin who wrote (19648)	11/20/2003 3:48:07 PM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 81108

> Israel would like to make more and more people sympathetic towards its predicament which, indeed, is terrible. If they give back the land they are in trouble, and if they don't, they are also in trouble. Since Israel is damned if it does, and damned if it doesn't, it may as well do whatever it pleases even if that means bringing the whole world into war. news.independent.co.uk >>>The results of a recent study by Israeli academics unnerved even the right-wing supporters of Mr Sharon. The study found that by the year 2020, in just 17 years, Palestinians will be the majority in the whole area of Israel and the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. That raises the possibility of the Israeli right's worst nightmare: that Palestinians might stop demanding a state of their own and start asking for the vote. That could spell the end of Israel's identity as a Jewish state, something most Israelis want to keep. Professor Jirbawi is advocating that the Palestinians should set a six-month time limit on negotiations for a two-state solution. "We should say we accept a two-state solution, but that it means going back to the 1967 borders, and a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. We should give them six months. If there is no decision, we should say Israel, by its own choice, doesn't want a two-state solution. If Israel wants a one-state solution we accept; but 20 years from now, we're going to ask for one person, one vote." "If you look at all the surveys of public opinion, the one issue that unites the Jewish population of Israel is that more than 90 per cent say they want to retain a Jewish majority. The problem of the right wing is that they want a Greater Israel including the occupied territories, without any withdrawal. The irony is by doing that they invite a bi-national state."<<<

To: sea_urchin who wrote (19648)	11/21/2003 12:45:36 AM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81108

""I cannot believe that people, unless they are completely mad, go around blowing up"" Communists, Nazi and Al-Qeda are not completly mad: just partially mad. Stalin and Mao have been just mad enought to kill 100 mln people Read the history of Soviet Union and from the Bolshevik revolution to 1953 and you will understand what mental impulses of Al-Qeda

To: sea_urchin who wrote (19648)	11/21/2003 8:48:37 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81108

> There has to be a reason, and that reason has to make sense. At present, nothing we are being told "officially" makes sense --- certainly not, to me. Well, what is happening apparently makes sense to the writer of this piece. prisonplanet.com >>>Either Al-Qaeda doesn't know what it is doing, or this wasn't Al Qaeda. Al-Qaeda want the world to see the evil that Bush and Blair are doing. And the protests would have done that. There was no need to bomb Istanbul. The only, and reiterate ONLY people to benefit from the bombings are Bush and Blair. It diverted attention from the protests, to the 'terrorists'. I wish I had terrorists like that on my side. The kind that bomb the UN in Baghdad, the day after the UN say that US forces should leave Iraq. The kind that bomb a Bali nightclub, the week 250,000 Australians took to the streets to protest the war. The kind that bomb a Riyadh compound full of Arabs, when Saudi Arabian citizens are beginning to become increasingly vociferous in their condemnation of the Iraq invasion and occupation. Since 9-11, and some say including 9-11, Al Qaeda has practically done everything the US govt would ask its CIA to do. They have killed muslims. They have killed their European supporters. They have timed each bombing to maximise the amount of criticism they will receive and minimise the support for their actions. Is that the actions of the 'biggest threat to mankind, freedom and democracy' ? Logic tells me, that it isn't Al-Qaeda at all.<<<