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To: lorne who wrote (8351)11/20/2003 1:37:18 PM
From: calgal  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8683
 
Bush, Blair Remain Defiant on Terrorism
URL:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103607,00.html

Thursday, November 20, 2003

LONDON — President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair (search) offered their condolences Thursday and vowed to continue their fight against global terrorism just hours after another terrorist attack in Istanbul -- this one on Western targets -- killed 27.

"We are united in our determination to fight and defeat this evil wherever it is found," Bush said during a joint news conference at the Foreign and Commonwealth Offices (search) in London.

The Turkish attacks on the British consulate and the London-based HSBC bank in downtown Istanbul shows the "wretched and backward philosophy of the terrorists," Blair said.

"This is a time to show strength and determination and complete resolve. This terrorism is the 21st century threat. It is a war that strikes at the heart of all we hold dear," Blair said.

The attacks were sure to refocus attention on the continuing danger of terrorism at a time when both Bush and Blair are warning against complacency.

On Wednesday, Bush ticked off a list of recent terrorism targets around the world -- including another terror attack in Istanbul just days ago.

On the second full day of his 3 1/2-day visit to Britain, Bush and his wife, Laura, also had an emotional meeting with family members of seven British soldiers killed in Iraq. They met in the Dean's Chapel of Westminster Abbey (search).

Earlier, the president laid a cream-colored wreath with a red, white and blue banner at the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior (search) in a subdued ceremony at the cathedral.

Heading into their meeting at No. 10 Downing Street (search), Bush and Blair were seeking to project unity at a time when Blair's approval ratings have sunk amid broad opposition to the war.

While Bush celebrates the two countries' friendship as "one of the great alliances of mankind," many of the British deplore the war, and as many as 100,000 protesters were expected to show their discontent Thursday in a massive march.

Gillian Siddons, a cook from Auchenblae in Scotland, stood near Westminster Abbey Thursday wearing a sign saying "Who wants democracy Bush-style?"

About 100 protesters also gathered opposite Blair's Downing Street office, some wearing orange jumpsuits and masks to protest the United States' holding, without trial, nine British terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Some protesters said they were uncomfortable with Blair's close relationship with the U.S. president.

"We're angry that Bush appears to be leading our country," said Ted Edwards, a gas supply worker who took the day off to attend the march. "Why Blair is allying himself to Bush I do not know. It's important to show our anger at Bush and to tell Blair he doesn't represent most people in Britain."

Bush said he was not dismayed by the demonstrations that have accompanied his visit.

"Freedom is beautiful," the president said, adding he was happy to be in a country where people were allowed to speak their minds freely. "All I know is that people in Baghdad weren't allowed to do this until recent history."

Bush also is trying to showcase a softer side of U.S. foreign policy by convening a round-table gathering on American efforts to combat AIDS in Africa and the Caribbean.

Blair faced tough questions about the war Wednesday at the House of Commons, but did not back down from his support of the United States.

"It really is about time we started to realize who our allies are, who our enemies are, stick with the one and fight the other," Blair added, to loud cheers from lawmakers. An unidentified protester was ejected from the public gallery in the Commons after shouting "he's a war criminal, he's a war criminal" just as Blair was discussing Bush's visit.

During his visit, Bush hopes to turn the tide of public opinion here and across Europe. Bush said the greatest danger facing Western democracies is weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists and dictators like Saddam Hussein.

"If they gain the weapons they seek, they will kill by the millions and not be finished," Bush said. "The evil is in plain sight. The danger only increases with denial.

"Great responsibilities fall once again to the great democracies," he said. "We will face these threats with open eyes and we will defeat them."

Bush tried to erase European doubts about the Iraq war by comparing the threat posed by Saddam to Nazi aggression, communism and ethnic cleansing that once menaced the continent.

"Let us never forget how Europe's unity was achieved: by allied armies of liberation and NATO's armies of defense," Bush said.

While he was shielded from most of the demonstrators in London on Wednesday, Bush seemed fully aware of his detractors.

Bush joked that the last prominent American to visit London was David Blaine, the magician who lived in a clear box over the Thames River for 44 days. "A few might have been happy to provide similar arrangements for me. I thank her majesty the queen for interceding," Bush said.

Also on Wednesday, Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy said Bush told him during a meeting Wednesday that he hoped the Guantanamo Bay controversy could be resolved "in the next week or two."

Opposition Conservative Party leader Michael Howard said on Thursday, however, that a meeting with Bush left him uncertain whether an agreement was near.

Blair was expected to press Bush on the matter during their meeting, but White House officials said they did not expect a resolution during Bush's trip here.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.



To: lorne who wrote (8351)11/20/2003 1:56:03 PM
From: calgal  Respond to of 8683
 
Bush targets Middle East 'elites'

By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

URL:http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031120-121709-6282r.htm

LONDON — President Bush yesterday vowed the United States will no longer turn a blind eye to repression by Middle East "elites" to ensure stability, although he avoided mentioning Syria, Egypt or Saudi Arabia.
"We must shake off decades of failed policy in the Middle East," Mr. Bush told a British think tank devoted to foreign policy. "Your nation and mine in the past have been willing to make a bargain to tolerate oppression for the sake of stability.
"Long-standing ties often led us to overlook the faults of local elites," he said. "Yet this bargain did not bring stability or make us safe. It merely bought time while problems festered and ideologies of violence took hold."
Although the president specifically cited Saddam Hussein and the Palestinian leadership, his comments clearly encompassed the larger Middle East, which is dominated by dictatorships and strict monarchies that have long been tolerated by the United States and Britain.
"We will expect a higher standard from our friends in the region," said Mr. Bush, whose speech was warmly received by the Royal United Services Institute and the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
"Tyranny is never benign to its victims, and our great democracies should oppose tyranny wherever it is found," he said. "Now we're pursuing a different course, a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East. We will consistently challenge the enemies of reform and confront the allies of terror."
Mr. Bush was unapologetic about the war in Iraq but urged European leaders who opposed the liberation to help ensure democracy flourishes there.
"[W]e did not charge hundreds of miles into the heart of Iraq and pay a bitter cost of casualties and liberate 25 million people only to retreat before a band of thugs and assassins," said Mr. Bush, whose speech used a theme of British Prime Minister Tony Blair's: pursuing peace in the Middle East as part of the broader war on terrorism.
The speech was delivered at Whitehall Palace just hours after Mr. Bush was formally welcomed by Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh in an elaborate ceremony at Buckingham Palace. A hundred black stallions bearing soldiers in polished brass breastplates paraded in front of the palace as cannons boomed a 41-gun salute.
Mr. Bush also called on European nations, which have seen a rise in violence against Jews in recent years, to oppose anti-Semitism, saying it "poisons public debates over the future of the Middle East," and warned Israel not to undermine peace efforts.
"Israel should freeze settlement construction, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and not prejudice final negotiations with the placement of walls and fences," said Mr. Bush.
Israel has said it is building a security wall around a West Bank settlement to keep suicide bombers out. Palestinians say it is an effort to hold on to the land occupied since the 1967 Middle East war.
As for Palestinians, he called on European leaders to "withdraw all favor and support from any Palestinian leader who fails his people and betrays their cause," an apparent reference to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
Despite predictions of enormous protests, only a handful of anti-Bush demonstrators showed up at the ceremony, including one man who used a bullhorn to deride both the president and prime minister.
"If you think Blair's a poodle, shout, 'Woof, woof,' " the man sang to the tune of "Comin' Round the Mountain." "If you think the war's for oil, shout, 'No war.' "
The man's singing was drowned out by a British ceremonial guard playing the American national anthem.
A few hours later, protesters numbered in the hundreds near Whitehall Palace, prompting the president to joke about British liberals.
"It was pointed out to me that the last noted American to visit London stayed in a glass box dangling over the Thames," he said, referring to performance artist David Blaine. "A few might have been happy to provide similar arrangements for me.
"I thank her majesty, the queen, for interceding," he said. "We're honored to be staying at her house."
Instead of criticizing the protesters, Mr. Bush celebrated their right to free speech, noting: "They now have that right in Baghdad as well."
Recalling that the last American president to stay at Buckingham Palace was Woodrow Wilson in 1918, Mr. Bush took a jab at France for not supporting the U.S.-led war against Iraq.
"President Wilson had come to Europe with his 14 points for peace — many complimenting him on this vision," the president said. "Yet some were dubious.
"Take, for example, the prime minister of France," he said. "He complained that God himself had only Ten Commandments. Sounds familiar."
Mindful that a minority of Britons criticize America for its moral stances, the president pointed out that the trait was essentially imported from Britain.
"Americans have on occasion been called moralists, who often speak in terms of right and wrong," he said. "That zeal has been inspired by examples on this island, by the tireless compassion of Lord Shaftesbury, the righteous courage of Wilberforce, and the firm determination of the Royal Navy over the decades to fight and end the trade in slaves.
"It's rightly said that Americans are a religious people. That's in part because of the 'Good News' that was translated by Tyndale, preached by Wesley, lived out in the example of William Booth.
"At times, Americans are even said to have a puritan streak," he said. "And where might that have come from? Well, we can start with the Puritans."
As the day wore on, protesters gathered in larger numbers at locations throughout London. Security remained extraordinarily tight as Mr. Bush returned to Buckingham Palace for a state dinner with the queen and her husband.



To: lorne who wrote (8351)11/24/2003 5:44:59 AM
From: Cogito  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 8683
 
>>YES! GO DR.LAURA. A lady with the courage to tell it like it really is. And to approx. 12 MILLION listeners. We should send her a thank you card and ask her to never never apoligize for speaking the truth.<<

Lorne -

In my opinion, Dr. Laura is a crackpot. For one thing, I'd like to know why she assumes that a trip to a mosque to find out about how muslims are treated in this country would necessarily be about them being mistreated.

I believe muslims are treated reasonably well in this country for the most part, and I'd expect that one would hear exactly that if one were to visit a mosque.

Of course there have been a number of extremely nasty attacks on muslims (and even Sikhs, who have nothing to do with Islam, but happen to wear turbans) in the U.S. since 9/11. Were these attacks justified because the people who flew the planes were muslims? Of course not.

It is stupid and simplistic to attack all muslims as terrorists just because some of them are. It is stupid and simplistic to adopt this kind of "them or us" attitude.

Dr. Laura is full of crap on this issue, just as she was on the issue of homosexuality, when she quoted Leviticus.

- Allen