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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45037)	11/22/2003 4:24:07 PM
From: illyia	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

Thank you. I know no one who could have said it so well, and with authority. I hope you do not mind that I would like to repost this... which I will not do without your permission. illyia

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45037)	11/22/2003 11:08:29 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

< Bush's war has been the greatest thing that ever happened to Al Qaeda. If Bush were making progress in the war on terror, we wouldn't be seeing vastly more Al Qaeda attacks now than we saw before the Iraq war..Carl> The greatest thing that happened to Al Qaeda was the decade or more of "maybe it'll go away" delusional thinking that allowed so many Afghanistan alumni to essentially be openly educated and brainwashed without anyone bothering to do anything till 9/11 actually took place. It's hardly as if the world was not aware of what was going on ! I'd seen several television reports in France concerning the Afghanistan connection in terrorist training in the Algerian civil war when it was at its worst some years back. If 9/11 had not happened, bin Laden would probably to this day be running his summer vacation camp, educating terrorists. Better late than never to start doing something about the cancer.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45037)	11/23/2003 12:54:48 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 50167

Hi IQBAL LATIF; I'm not sure I understand the first, and key, sentence of your note. My additions are in bold: "Conspiracy theories, as in the 1001 Arabian Nights stories, abound in the 21st century[. An example is] the aged logic that the crack down on the war on terror has increased [the level of terror] as a result of [the] crack down on terror." The observation that the war against Al Qaeda is failing is not an example of a "conspiracy theory", at least as the term is widely used in the United States. To have a conspiracy, you have to have a secret group of collaborators. To make it a "theory", the question of the existence of the group must be open to debate. In the case of Al Qaeda, there is no question of their existence, and no other obvious group is conspiring, so there is no conspiracy theory. Now there are conspiracy theories abounding re the war on terror. An example of a "conspiracy theory" is the theory that Bush wants the war on terror to last indefinitely, and so attacked Iraq in order to help Al Qaeda. I do not believe this. Here's some more examples of conspiracy theories: yellowtimes.org nmia.com The rest of your post ignores the simple question: Is Al Qaeda being defeated? It's great to have a lot of theories about why the Arab street this or that, but I really don't give a good goddam about the Arab street. All I care about is the US, our citizens, and our soldiers. What I see is more attacks by Al Qaeda on US citizens and it worries me. It appears to me that the war on terror is failing to defeat Al Qaeda. -- Carl

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45037)	11/23/2003 8:56:43 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 50167

Iqbal, thank you for your post Haim Palestinians feel aggrieved by Israeli aggression but their leadership have failed them during the course of this century by aligning themselves with losers. The issue of Palestine would not have risen had the Ottomans not aligned itself with the Germans in the First World War. The break up of the Ottoman Empire was the result of realignments within the world and the mufti Al Hussieni went to Hitler in World War 2 to produce Muslim recruits for the German army. Why should Islam become aligned with losers, why can’t we have the vision to connect with the winners?............. The war against civilized world was hatched by the loonies of the world when the icons of 'Democrats' were busy having flings in the sacred office of the White House; the appeasers after Cole incident had fired some misguided missiles on a Sudanese factories and some mud rubble in Afghanistan was destroyed but no consistent policy was followed since the hornets nest was considered to be far too sensitive. These vandals on the doors need men with resolve; the left with its self serving agenda does not have what it takes to face the criminals......................... In a last ditch attempt, they are now on the path of self destruction. The streets that had gleefully expressed smiling adulations to the suicide bombers in Israel today find how horrendous these bombers can be. Saudis who complained that Israel should take no action against Palestinians even if they keep blowing the Israelis with these bombs are now on a crack down, the realization that this is ferocious beast out to take anyone who opposes their brand of medievalism. The Bush doctrine has set a whole region freed from the chains of the past. Yes, it will be upheaval and a mounting task to face but the street in the Arab lands fails to see how come Muslims is killing Muslims in a vendetta that is directed against west. The concept of collateral damages of the Islamic blood is now too difficult to handle for appeasers and naysayers in our part of the world. The reasoning that all this would have passed if no action would have been taken is the biggest fallacy. There is and was no sympathy to the western philosophy, according to the extremists. Islam promised the 1 billion faithful the rule of the world and what they have discovered is that they are at the bottom most wrung of the ladder as a result of their own failure. The rage of impotence combined with the blind craving to manage the human race through the 'will of Allah’ is what propels hatred within the fringe elements. It is dreams of rediscovering history of the golden age and the re-conquest of the world, like old Spain, propels many a lunatics to impose the will of 'Allah' on the unwilling. This is not about terror, rather this is about imposing a way of life through a 'regime of terror'. Appeasment only makes their work easier. Throwing a gauntlet like what Bush did makes it harder but it takes a very big man to do it. History has put this burden on a Texan who looked quite ordinary and for the left even stupid but he has taken this burden better than many a Sagittarius!

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45037)	11/23/2003 3:10:47 PM
From: dvdw©	Respond to of 50167

Thank You once again for your cogency, from the beginning you've been a strong and thoughtful voice. All of us who truly want peace understand that peace among peoples depends on the metaphores falling away in the face of truth. You have once again added to the Bank of truth, your stock is rising, many are noticing. Liberty can be for everyone without respect to religion, ethnicity or national boundaries. Thanks again.