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To: AC Flyer who wrote (41925)11/22/2003 2:06:26 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hello ACF Mike, You should ignore people like Li Yong Yan.

You know folks like Li and they are not your kind of people. They know nothing about money, are paranoid about wealth, fearful about the new, and are nostalgic for the old that never was.

Worst of all, they lack the imagination and are missing the optimism to see that circumstances are getting better day-by-day, as opposed to progressing from bad to worse night-by-night.

Why, think about it for a moment and realize, in your world, Li would be a Democrat with communist tendencies, and one with neither a sense of history nor an appreciation for economics, and one holding an upside down flag about to be put to the torch!

OTOH, Perhaps I have misread you. Perhaps you are not the optimistic type after all. Perhaps you are the pessimist you had always accused me of being?

On this <<the US remains the world's largest growth engine, with the most innovative business culture and largest, most liquid, best regulated capital markets>>

… you may be right, and if so, it simply shows that the world inclusive of the US market is a dangerous place.

Step outside your door, look left and view right, notice how many ‘mark-to-market’ asset millionaires there supposedly are?

Think for a moment about their collective Balance Sheet, especially the line item commonly referred to as ‘equity’, ignore the bloated false value, but ponder about their liquidity, particularly the line items often known as ‘cash’ and ‘near-cash’.

Flip to the previous page, the Income Statement, appreciate the embedded reality of ‘debt service ability’, and ponder on the idea of ‘replacement purchase capability/capacity’.

Now, feel free to be shocked and awed, and ask yourself this question: ‘how many of my macro economically productive neighbors, average age 47, can truly afford their micro economically borrowed lifestyles in the global context that they are over valued, over paid, over leveraged, under capitalized, and proven to be not so clever after all?’

So, do you now have a better appreciation of the true macro risk in your portfolio?

No? Not yet?

Ok, now think about your neighbors’ effective and economic income compressed to international norm by way of monetary inflation and corporate outsourcing, and what those macro actions do to his asset-rich but equity-poor balance sheet?

Then dwell on what the then compressed balance sheet, via devaluation, depreciation, and deflation, will do, via amplified feedback loop, to the aggregate income statement?

I realized that it is difficult to make a lobster understand the nature of its circumstance as it rests comfortably inside a pot of still cold water resting on an open flame.

Perhaps the way to think about the differences between the wild and crazy Chinese equity space and the ‘best regulated’ US capital market may be realizing that in the former one has to take calculated but diversified micro risks in a dynamic and uncertain macro environment, and in the latter, one is in fact gambling on a clearly disintegrating macro environment via a bunch of micro risks that are not less harmful than the ones common in the former situation.

For anyone who bothers to read musty books and ponder dusty archives, and that excludes your hero Greensputin, we have been here before, and it is just the last two hundred years' Script, but mirror-imaged or run backward, possibly viewed upside down.

I mean, could it be, as is it possible, that China today = USA 1860, and USA today = China 1760?

Nothing is so apparent until we stop to think about what actually is, obviously should, must, and shall therefore be. You know, the truth vs the facts, and the 'just is'.

Chugs, Jay



To: AC Flyer who wrote (41925)11/22/2003 2:07:44 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 74559
 
ACF, that's just like our Public Works Act and Eminent Domain. We the Sheeple "own" our land in Fee Simple as Tenant or Tenants in Common or some such. We are the Queen's flock to be fleeced. Any resistance and it's off to the abattoir.

The government takes money from us each year according to the value of the land, which they determine, whether we earn any money or not. If we don't earn money and don't pay, they confiscate the property and sell it.

The processes are much as described by Li.

Nowadays though, there are all sorts of "environmental" laws which stop us doing what we like with our land. There is a guy in prison for cutting down trees on his land. It actually wasn't even trees. It was what they call regenerating land. Which is land turning itself back into native bush. Killing a Kauri [a variety of tree] attracts bigger penalties than violent crime against humans.

There are a variety of other controls on private property. Don't drain a swamp or "alter vegetation". Certainly don't harm any native species of bird, insect, snail or other fauna.

Basically, everything is prohibited unless it is expressly permitted.

There is now great pretence of democratic process, where notification of works in our area is required and we can object. This is under the Resource Management Act. Which developers curse because it results in huge and lengthy bureaucratic process. Essentially it means all progress is banned because everything which already exists is sacred. Especially if it has anything to do with Maoris.

However, if it's the government which wants to do something, they skip the Resource Management Act and bulldoze away. Urgent public business you know. For the rest of us, it's prison if we try shortcuts.

The latest thing is the government banning private building or alterations. This stemmed from leaky building syndrome. Government regulation resulted in the assumption that houses wouldn't leak because everything was so controlled, regulated, inspected and approved. But stupid construction techniques and construction resulted in hundreds of leaking and rotting buildings. Timber wasn't allowed to be treated as the chemicals used were unenvironmental. The moisture resulted in rot. For some reason, they think banning private construction will help solve the problem. I think it's to increase government control and revenue by forcing people to hire builders who have to pay tax. Private construction means no tax payments! No leaks either.

I think all countries are much the same. Big Brother is running rampant. Weirdly, most people seem to like that. They go on voting for more of it every chance they get.

Mqurice



To: AC Flyer who wrote (41925)11/22/2003 2:26:41 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 74559
 
ACF Mike, BTW, in your opinion, is this story Message 19527593 true on all different levels ?

- Did Tommy Franks say what he supposedly did say?
- Is his prediction founded on any real possibilities?
- Can it all be?

In other words, is this TeoTwawKi ?

Chugs, Jay



To: AC Flyer who wrote (41925)11/22/2003 3:43:08 PM
From: Seeker of Truth  Respond to of 74559
 
Dear AC Flyer,
We actually don't differ very much in our opinions here.
A legal system, i.e. justice, still doesn't exist in China. I'm well aware that the Communist government could overnight confiscate all my investment. Or else milk them dry from the inside. Of course this kind of thing would mean the end of foreign investment including investment by overseas Chinese. Will it happen on some occasions? Maybe. But I think it's unlikely to happen most of the time because this Communist government seems far smarter than those running the place when Mao was alive. In any case I have some protection by diversification into those eight issues and limiting the total to 10% and being unwilling to hold stocks selling for 40 times earnings.
As for the US, there's a little matter like a war hanging over the economy. Since last year the U.S. dollar has dropped about 25% in Euro terms. Not only is there a war on but also there is a policy to favor the rich, tax wise, basically by lowering their taxes and floating more loans instead.
If you were a banker would you keep on lending money to the US at the same terms as before when their budget was balanced?
I'm quite happy with my investments in Canada and Europe, in both of which I'm doing better than I would have in the US.
I'm not hoping for a US collapse, a TEOTWAWKI. But Bush seems to be rushing in that direction.