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To: American Spirit who wrote (497242)11/23/2003 5:22:31 AM
From: Peter O'Brien  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
All the liberal whining about Halliburton is amusing...

Based on Halliburton's historical stock price,
it has generally performed poorly except for two
brief spikes during DEMOCRAT administrations
(Carter and Clinton)!

Those "evil Republicans" don't seem to have helped
Halliburton's stock price much, but both Carter and
Clinton really pumped it up!

I think if Bush LOSES to some liberal in 2004, I should
immediately buy as much Halliburton stock as I can
afford! LOL!

bigcharts.marketwatch.com



To: American Spirit who wrote (497242)11/23/2003 9:54:12 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
AS,

Re: Fascinating on CSPAN now the long interview of the author who was a top lawyer in Dallas at the tme

Do you recall the name of this attorney? I'd like to see if I can watch this show on C-SPAN's web archive facility.

The History Channel has been running a repeat of its series on the "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". They aired an astonishing new chapter in this revealing series called "The Love Affair" on Friday night.

historychannel.com

The program aired at 10 PM on 11/21 and it shocked me. The woman who was interviewed was an intimate of Lee Harvey Oswald, and worked with him on a CIA initiated plot to create a cancer-laden viral injection which Oswald attempted to sneak into Cuba intending to assassinate Castro. The woman described working directly with David Ferry and indirectly with Clay Shaw, two men implicated by New Orleans DA Jim Garrison in the plot to kill Kennedy. This woman waited 40 years to tell her story, and it is damning of the CIA/mafia cabal which perpetrated the assassination. Her testimony is very much in keeping with the thesis that Oswald was a low-level CIA operative who got caught up in the assassination of Kennedy as the patsy.

This was one of the most astonishing and riveting hours of television I've ever seen.

********
You are right to worry about the safety of John Kerry, or any Democratic challenger to George Bush. There is a high likihood that Paul Wellstone was murdered by the right wing. His replacement, Norm Coleman, is a Zionist who has been given extraordinary powers in the Senate completely inappropriate for a freshman Senator.

Astonishingly, Coleman was given the chairmanship of the Governmental Affairs Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

This plum assignment makes him a key man to engage in cover-ups and disinformation, particularly w/r/t Middle East and
"terrorist" operations of the Zionists and the Bushies.

The U.S. media is completely engaged in a disinformation campaign to keep this fact from the public. I had the hardest time finding this information on the web. I finally found a reference to this remarkable assignment in this obscure item:

peacecorpsonline.org

We are living in dangerous times.



To: American Spirit who wrote (497242)11/23/2003 10:42:28 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
The division in the party over Dean is less about ideology than about power. Three years after Bill Clinton left office, he and Hillary still control what remains of a Democratic establishment. Terry McAuliffe, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), was installed by Clinton. Most of the powerful new fund-raising groups, known as 527s, and the new think tanks, such as the Center for American Progress, are run by the best and brightest of the Clinton administration. As National Journal noted in a detailed look at what it called "Hillary Inc.," the senator's network of fund-raising organizations "has begun to assume a quasi-party status." And some of the best Clinton talent is heavily invested in non-Dean campaigns, especially Joe Lieberman's (Mandy Grunwald and Mark Penn), John Edwards's (Bruce Reed), and Wesley Clark's (Bruce Lindsey, Eli Segal, and Mickey Kantor).

Dean, by contrast, has come to represent the party's anti-establishment forces. While the other candidates, especially former self-styled front-runner John Kerry, started the campaign by wooing party leaders, Dean built a grassroots army first--in part by bashing D.C. Democrats and their disastrous 2002 election strategy--and is only now leveraging his fund-raising power to win over establishment types. No Democrats closely associated with the Clintons are working for the Dean campaign. In fact, it's hard to find a Clintonite who speaks favorably of the former Vermont governor. This evident schism is not just about Dean's opposition to the war--or even his prospects in the general election. It's a turf war to decide who will control the future of the party.

This struggle is playing out in several of the party's organizations and constituencies. Indeed, Dean's high-profile labor endorsements--the cornerstone of the tipping-point argument--actually emphasize the party's divisions. Andy Stern, the leader of seiu, is to the labor movement what Dean is to the Democratic Party--an anti-establishment reformer. When the afl-cio failed to adopt reforms recommended by Stern earlier this year, he started a breakaway organization--the New Unity Partnership--with several other unions that is now seen as a major challenge to the afl-cio establishment. And seiu is a lot like the Dean campaign. It's the fastest-growing union and one of the most democratically run. It's obsessed with organizing new members to whom it imparts a message of empowerment, unlike the more centralized afl-cio. Stern and seiu, with their emphasis on health care instead of globalization, are the future of the labor movement in the United States, while the industrial unions, which back Dick Gephardt and have been bleeding members for years as they fight an uphill battle against free trade, are the past. seiu's backing of Dean isn't a nod from the establishment--it's a protest against it.

The Dean split is mirrored in the centrist New Democrat movement as well. No organization has been more hostile to Dean than the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). In May, Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and the president of the DLC--the group that served as a policy springboard for Clinton's rise--wrote their now-infamous manifesto warning that nominating Dean, whom they view as hopelessly left-wing, would bring certain defeat for Democrats in 2004. But, for months, another prominent New Democrat has been making a different case. Simon Rosenberg, who cut his teeth on Clinton's 1992 campaign and now heads the New Democrat Network (NDN), sees Dean as the most innovative and potentially transformative Democrat since Clinton himself. Like Stern, Rosenberg is a bit of a rebel within his own movement. He once worked for From, but his organization is now challenging the DLC and is becoming an increasingly influential player in Democratic politics. Unlike the more top-down DLC, NDN is building a grassroots network of donors and has become a key player in the new world of 527s. "NDN has not endorsed Dean or embraced him, but we have given our opinion that this is a serious campaign that is going to change the party," says Rosenberg.

As the party's split into Deaniacs and anti-Dean Clintonites unfolds, one of the most intriguing subplots concerns the machinations of Gore. Immediately after the Florida recount was decided in 2000, Gore's senior aides were purged from the DNC and Clinton's were installed. Some ex-Gore staffers are still bitter about the coup, and several express admiration for what Dean is doing.

The two men have a strained history, but lately Gore is sounding more and more like Dean. His three most important speeches since leaving office have been harsh attacks on President Bush's Iraq policy and his abuse of the Patriot Act. The two most recent were delivered before MoveOn.org, the Internet network for grassroots liberals, which is overwhelmingly pro-Dean. Some suspect that, just as Dean went outside the Beltway and built his own high-tech grassroots army to bypass the sclerotic D.C. establishment, so is Gore. It's not a bad way for him to exercise influence in the party, if he wants to make a potential endorsement more powerful or if he still harbors hopes of running for president in 2008. "The rest of the Democratic infrastructure is controlled by the Clintons," says one top Democrat.

Perhaps Gore would not endorse the former Vermont governor (though Joe Trippi, Dean's campaign manager, says "they talk relatively regularly"). Regardless, he'll have to choose sides, because the Democrats are splitting into two parties: the party of Clinton, and the party of Dean.
tnr.com