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To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 10:04:03 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Kennedy cannot count on support from all Democrats, however. Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), faced with a caucus sharply divided over the Medicare bill, has said he will not support a filibuster, though he opposes the bill. At least eight Democratic senators are on record as planning to vote for the bill, and others are wavering. Republican backers of the bill face defections of their own, but not as many.



To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 10:08:38 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
Gephardt appears at the end, saying that "leadership is about making tough decisions and sticking with them."



To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 10:19:29 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
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To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 11:40:08 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
In the five previous debates, Edwards's strategy has been to avoid the verbal darts the other candidates have been aiming at one another. Instead of garnering headlines with one-liners, Edwards has been hoping to reach the voters watching at home with talk of his ''Real Solutions for America'' plan, a booklet full of policy proposals.

The strategy isn't working out so well. Current polls have him close to the back of the pack, jockeying for position with Al Sharpton.

Ginsberg and other aides have recently begun prodding Edwards to be more aggressive, to make his presence felt, to mix it up in some of the testier exchanges. ''We all agree that you did really well with the last debate, getting engaged in the fight,'' Ginsberg says.

''And we've seen, in the last two weeks, Dean lumping his opponents all together and attacking them as Washington insiders,'' Ginsberg continues. ''You're not from Washington.''

Edwards sits up. ''This is something I want to know,'' he says. ''How long has Dean been in politics?'' Edwards himself has been in public life for only five years, and he can't quite understand how Dean has managed to cast him as just another Washington lifer.

''Since 1986, right?'' Ginsberg says, looking around.

Christina Reynolds, Edwards's research director, begins typing away on her laptop.

''What did he do before that?'' Edwards asks. ''Just practiced medicine? For how long? And where? At a hospital?''

Reynolds looks up from her computer. ''Exactly 20 years, that's how long he's been in politics, Senator.'' Edwards nods thoughtfully.

The advisers point out some other weak spots. Dick Gephardt has been linking Dean to Newt Gingrich because Dean once spoke in favor of raising the retirement age for entitlements. Perhaps Edwards should join in. ''That's absurd,'' Edwards says dismissively. ''No one believes he's like Gingrich. I think we just need to say that he wanted to limit the cost of Medicare, which is exactly what the Republicans wanted to do.''

Then there is Wesley Clark's war position; he has been criticized for a lack of clarity. Edwards shakes his head. ''I don't think I want to be in that,'' he says. ''I just don't really want to go there.''

Edwards seems chiefly concerned with how best to talk about his plan for the economy. On one hand, he has a series of proposals to create jobs. But he also likes to rail against the growing tax burden on working families.

''I just need to know whether you would rather have me hit jobs or work force,'' he tells the group. ''Because it's very hard to do both in 60 seconds.''

Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, are partial to the jobs argument. His aides are more invested in the workers-versus-the-wealthy message -- which leaves Edwards groping for a clear answer.

In the five previous debates, Edwards's strategy has been to avoid the verbal darts the other candidates have been aiming at one another. Instead of garnering headlines with one-liners, Edwards has been hoping to reach the voters watching at home with talk of his ''Real Solutions for America'' plan, a booklet full of policy proposals. The strategy isn't working out so well. Current polls have him close to the back of the pack, jockeying for position with Al Sharpton.

Ginsberg and other aides have recently begun prodding Edwards to be more aggressive, to make his presence felt, to mix it up in some of the testier exchanges. ''We all agree that you did really well with the last debate, getting engaged in the fight,'' Ginsberg says.

''And we've seen, in the last two weeks, Dean lumping his opponents all together and attacking them as Washington insiders,'' Ginsberg continues. ''You're not from Washington.''

Edwards sits up. ''This is something I want to know,'' he says. ''How long has Dean been in politics?'' Edwards himself has been in public life for only five years, and he can't quite understand how Dean has managed to cast him as just another Washington lifer.

''Since 1986, right?'' Ginsberg says, looking around.

Christina Reynolds, Edwards's research director, begins typing away on her laptop.

''What did he do before that?'' Edwards asks. ''Just practiced medicine? For how long? And where? At a hospital?''

Reynolds looks up from her computer. ''Exactly 20 years, that's how long he's been in politics, Senator.'' Edwards nods thoughtfully.

The advisers point out some other weak spots. Dick Gephardt has been linking Dean to Newt Gingrich because Dean once spoke in favor of raising the retirement age for entitlements. Perhaps Edwards should join in. ''That's absurd,'' Edwards says dismissively. ''No one believes he's like Gingrich. I think we just need to say that he wanted to limit the cost of Medicare, which is exactly what the Republicans wanted to do.''

Then there is Wesley Clark's war position; he has been criticized for a lack of clarity. Edwards shakes his head. ''I don't think I want to be in that,'' he says. ''I just don't really want to go there.''

Edwards seems chiefly concerned with how best to talk about his plan for the economy. On one hand, he has a series of proposals to create jobs. But he also likes to rail against the growing tax burden on working families.

''I just need to know whether you would rather have me hit jobs or work force,'' he tells the group. ''Because it's very hard to do both in 60 seconds.''

Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, are partial to the jobs argument. His aides are more invested in the workers-versus-the-wealthy message -- which leaves Edwards groping for a clear answer.

nytimes.com



To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 11:42:03 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
I'm also wondering whether a guy like John Edwards can do what lesser-known candidates have traditionally done, which is to use the debates to establish his relevance to the race. Long touted as a Southern successor to Bill Clinton, Edwards has a trial lawyer's courtly eloquence, the most coherent set of policy proposals in the field and -- hands down -- the best hair in politics. But unlike the voluble Sharpton or the squarish Joe Lieberman, Edwards has struggled to define himself with voters.



To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 11:43:45 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
The Detroit debate doesn't open auspiciously. As Edwards suspected, the first round of questioning is all about Iraq. The voices of the candidates bounce off the ornate walls of the historic Fox Theater and make their way up to the battered old dressing room above the stage where the Edwards team watches the live feed on TV. ''They always do this,'' Ginsberg complains, referring to the organizers. ''They just lied. They said there was no foreign-policy section. We had three conference calls with them.''

The Iraq grilling goes on for a full 45 minutes. ''John's going to kill us,'' Ginsberg says, slumping in his chair.

Edwards gets only five questions all night, which he answers adequately -- and forgettably. His final question comes in a round in which Gwen Ifill, the PBS reporter, is asking all of the candidates about their perceived weaknesses. ''The expectations for you were so high in the beginning that you were on the cover of Newsweek magazine,'' Ifill says. (It isn't true, though Edwards might wish it were.) ''What happened?''

There are low groans in the dressing room.

''First of all, nothing happened,'' Edwards says, unhelpfully. He is the fourth candidate to answer in this round, and yet he seems a little taken aback by the question. ''I'm doing great in Iowa, moving up in New Hampshire, got a double-digit lead in the state of South Carolina. I'm very proud of what's happening in my campaign.'' He gets hold of the wheel and steers himself onto the familiar tracks of his stump speech. ''I am fighting for, in this campaign, the very people that I grew up with,'' he says, ''people like my father, who worked in a mill all his life.''

''What a bunch of silly questions,'' Ginsberg says, looking away from the TV.



To: microhoogle! who wrote (497267)11/23/2003 11:44:54 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
After the debate, Edwards and most of the other candidates are hustled into what's known as ''Spin Alley.'' It's one of the stranger scenes in American politics: aides hold up placards that say ''Edwards'' or ''Dean,'' and reporters and cameramen swarm like wasps around whichever candidate interests them most. The whole thing resembles a kind of adolescent playground nightmare, with all the cool kids getting chosen while the less coordinated players wait awkwardly under their placards. At one debate this fall, aides to Representative Dennis Kucinich literally grabbed wandering reporters and implored them to come interview their boss.

Several reporters surround Edwards. There are more questions about why he isn't winning the race, but none on his policies.

The debate wasn't a total loss, Gordon tells me hopefully as we leave the theater. ''We got attacked,'' he says, ''and we got named a few times.''