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To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 6:38:19 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Same old Same old from you.....
questioning someone's patriotism in the name of an personal war in the name of the American public
Always the same fear factor from RWE's
CC



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 7:01:44 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Are you an American? Just checking. EOM

<font color=red>How dare you, you right wing Judas?!! Three American soldiers were killed and dragged through the streets of an Iraqi city so fascista like you can ask another American on this thread if they are an American patriot. The only traitors to this country are you and your president.

Oh, btw, are you human? Just checking. EOM. <font color=black>

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story.news.yahoo.com

Three U.S. Troops Killed in Iraq
17 minutes ago

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

MOSUL, Iraq - Iraqi teenagers dragged two bloodied U.S. soldiers from a wrecked vehicle and pummeled them with concrete blocks Sunday, witnesses said, describing the killings as a burst of savagery in a city once safe for Americans.



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 8:33:58 PM
From: Land Shark  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Why? Do you have to be American to support that Moron (Bush)? Or should the 40% or more (and growing) Americans who don't buy his garbage be deported?



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 8:38:46 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Just keep on SCARING THEM the Repubican RWE Way!!!!
Scaring Up Votes
By Maureen Dowd
New York Times

Sunday 23 November 2003

First came the pre-emptive military policy. Now comes the pre-emptive campaign strategy.

Before the president even knows his opponent, his first political ad is blanketing Iowa today.

"It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like
none we have ever known," Mr. Bush says, in a State of the Union clip.

Well, that's a comforting message from our commander in chief. Do we really need his cold,
clammy hand on our spine at a time when we're already rattled by fresh terror threats at home and
abroad? When we're chilled by the metastasizing Al Qaeda, the resurgent Taliban and Baathist thugs
armed with deadly booby traps; the countless, nameless terror groups emerging in Turkey, Morocco,
Indonesia and elsewhere; the vicious attacks on Americans, Brits, aid workers and their supporters in
Iraq, Afghanistan and Turkey? The latest illustration of the low-tech ingenuity of Iraqi foes impervious to
our latest cascade of high-tech missiles: a hapless, singed donkey that carted rockets to a Baghdad
hotel.

Yet the Bush crowd is seizing the moment to scare us even more.

Flashing the words "terrorists" and "self-defense" in crimson, the Republican National Committee
spot urges Americans "to support the president's policy of pre-emptive self-defense" — a policy Colin
Powell claimed was overblown by the press.

"Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice
before they strike?" Mr. Bush says.

With this ad, Republicans have announced their intention: to scare us stupid, hoping we won't
remember that this was the same State of the Union in which Mr. Bush made a misleading statement
about the Iraq-Niger uranium connection, or remark that the imperial idyll in Iraq has created more
terrorists.

Richard Clarke, the former U.S. counterterrorism chief, told Ted Koppel that Mr. Bush's habit of
putting X's through the pictures of arrested or killed Qaeda managers was very reminiscent of a scene
in the movie "The Battle of Algiers," in which the French authorities did the same to the Algerian
terrorists: "Unfortunately, after all the known Algerian terrorists were arrested or killed, the French lost.
And that could be the thing that's happening here, that even though we're getting all the known Al
Qaeda leaders, we're breeding new ones. Ones we don't know about and will be harder to find."

This view of Al Qaeda was echoed by a European counterterrorism official in The Times: "There are
fewer leaders but more followers."

The president is trying to make the campaign about guts: he has the guts to persevere in the war
on terror.

But the real issue is trust: should we trust leaders who cynically manipulated intelligence, diverted
9/11 anger and lost focus on Osama so they could pursue an old cause near to neocon hearts:
sacking Saddam?

The Bush war left our chief villains operating, revved up the terrorist threat, ravaged our international
alliances and sparked the resentment of a world that ached for us after 9/11.

Now Mr. Bush says that poor Turkey, a critical ally in the Muslim world, is the newest front in the
war on terror. "Iraq is a front," he said. "Turkey is a front. Anywhere the terrorists think they can strike
is a front." Here a front, there a front, everywhere a terror front.

In his Hobbesian gloom — "Fear and I were born twins," Hobbes said — Dick Cheney thought an
Iraq whupping would make surly young anti-American Arab men scuttle away. Instead, it stoked their
ire.

James Goodby and Kenneth Weisbrode wrote in The Financial Times last week that the Bush crew
has snuffed the optimism of F.D.R., Ronald Reagan and Bush père: "Fear has been used as a basis
for curtailing freedom of expression and for questioning legal rights long taken for granted. It has crept
into political discourse and been used to discredit patriotic public servants. Ronald Reagan's favorite
image, borrowed from an earlier visionary, of America as `a shining city on a hill' has been
unnecessarily dimmed by another image: a nation motivated by fear and ready to lash out at any
country it defines as the source of a gathering threat."

Instead of a shining city, we have a dark bunker.

But the only thing we really have to fear is fearmongering itself.
CC



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 8:41:48 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
So nice to see the GOVERNMENT SPYING ON PROTESTERS AGAIN.....of course fueled by the type of ads of fear they are running in Iowa.....no decency....only the "do anything to win" course of action
F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

November 23, 2003
By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, Nov. 22 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation
has collected extensive information on the tactics,
training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has
advised local law enforcement officials to report any
suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism
squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau
memorandum.

The memorandum, which the bureau sent to local law
enforcement agencies last month in advance of antiwar
demonstrations in Washington and San Francisco, detailed
how protesters have sometimes used "training camps" to
rehearse for demonstrations, the Internet to raise money
and gas masks to defend against tear gas. The memorandum
analyzed lawful activities like recruiting demonstrators,
as well as illegal activities like using fake documentation
to get into a secured site.

F.B.I. officials said in interviews that the
intelligence-gathering effort was aimed at identifying
anarchists and "extremist elements" plotting violence, not
at monitoring the political speech of law-abiding
protesters.

The initiative has won the support of some local police,
who view it as a critical way to maintain order at
large-scale demonstrations. Indeed, some law enforcement
officials said they believed the F.B.I.'s approach had
helped to ensure that nationwide antiwar demonstrations in
recent months, drawing hundreds of thousands of protesters,
remained largely free of violence and disruption.

But some civil rights advocates and legal scholars said the
monitoring program could signal a return to the abuses of
the 1960's and 1970's, when J. Edgar Hoover was the F.B.I.
director and agents routinely spied on political protesters
like the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are
engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent,"
said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American
Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and
legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a
serious concern about whether we're going back to the days
of Hoover."


Herman Schwartz, a constitutional law professor at American
University who has written about F.B.I. history, said
collecting intelligence at demonstrations is probably
legal.

But he added: "As a matter of principle, it has a very
serious chilling effect on peaceful demonstration. If you
go around telling people, `We're going to ferret out
information on demonstrations,' that deters people. People
don't want their names and pictures in F.B.I. files."

The abuses of the Hoover era, which included efforts by the
F.B.I. to harass and discredit Hoover's political enemies
under a program known as Cointelpro, led to tight
restrictions on F.B.I. investigations of political
activities.

Those restrictions were relaxed significantly last year,
when Attorney General John Ashcroft issued guidelines
giving agents authority to attend political rallies,
mosques and any event "open to the public."

Mr. Ashcroft said the Sept. 11 attacks made it essential
that the F.B.I. be allowed to investigate terrorism more
aggressively. The bureau's recent strategy in policing
demonstrations is an outgrowth of that policy, officials
said.

"We're not concerned with individuals who are exercising
their constitutional rights," one F.B.I. official said.
"But it's obvious that there are individuals capable of
violence at these events. We know that there are anarchists
that are actively involved in trying to sabotage and commit
acts of violence at these different events, and we also
know that these large gatherings would be a prime target
for terrorist groups."

Civil rights advocates, relying largely on anecdotal
evidence, have complained for months that federal officials
have surreptitiously sought to suppress the First Amendment
rights of antiwar demonstrators.

Critics of the Bush administration's Iraq policy, for
instance, have sued the government to learn how their names
ended up on a "no fly" list used to stop suspected
terrorists from boarding planes. Civil rights advocates
have accused federal and local authorities in Denver and
Fresno, Calif., of spying on antiwar demonstrators or
infiltrating planning meetings. And the New York Police
Department this year questioned many of those arrested at
demonstrations about their political affiliations, before
halting the practice and expunging the data in the face of
public criticism.

The F.B.I. memorandum, however, appears to offer the first
corroboration of a coordinated, nationwide effort to
collect intelligence regarding demonstrations.

The memorandum, circulated on Oct. 15 - just 10 days before
many thousands gathered in Washington and San Francisco to
protest the American occupation of Iraq - noted that the
bureau "possesses no information indicating that violent or
terrorist activities are being planned as part of these
protests" and that "most protests are peaceful events."

But it pointed to violence at protests against the
International Monetary Fund and the World Bank as evidence
of potential disruption. Law enforcement officials said in
interviews that they had become particularly concerned
about the ability of antigovernment groups to exploit
demonstrations and promote a violent agenda.

"What a great opportunity for an act of terrorism, when all
your resources are dedicated to some big event and you let
your guard down," a law enforcement official involved in
securing recent demonstrations said. "What would the public
say if we didn't look for criminal activity and
intelligence at these events?"

The memorandum urged local law enforcement officials "to be
alert to these possible indicators of protest activity and
report any potentially illegal acts" to counterterrorism
task forces run by the F.B.I. It warned about an array of
threats, including homemade bombs and the formation of
human chains.

The memorandum discussed demonstrators' "innovative
strategies," like the videotaping of arrests as a means of
"intimidation" against the police. And it noted that
protesters "often use the Internet to recruit, raise funds
and coordinate their activities prior to demonstrations."

"Activists may also make use of training camps to rehearse
tactics and counter-strategies for dealing with the police
and to resolve any logistical issues," the memorandum
continued. It also noted that protesters may raise money to
help pay for lawyers for those arrested.

F.B.I. counterterrorism officials developed the
intelligence cited in the memorandum through firsthand
observation, informants, public sources like the Internet
and other methods, officials said.

Officials said the F.B.I. treats demonstrations no
differently than other large-scale and vulnerable
gatherings. The aim, they said, was not to monitor
protesters but to gather intelligence.

Critics said they remained worried. "What the F.B.I.
regards as potential terrorism," Mr. Romero of the A.C.L.U.
said, "strikes me as civil disobedience."

nytimes.com



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 8:44:22 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 769667
 
Then throw THIS in for good measure....good fascist measure.....
Is THIS America?
Posse Comitatus anyone?
Mission Creep Hits Home
American armed forces are assuming major new domestic policing and surveillance roles.

By William M. Arkin, William M. Arkin is a military affairs
analyst who writes regularly for Opinion. E-mail:
warkin@igc.org.

SOUTH POMFRET, Vt. — Preoccupied with the war
in Iraq and still traumatized by Sept. 11, 2001, the
American public has paid little attention to some of
what is being done inside the United States in the name
of anti-terrorism. Under the banner of "homeland
security," the military and intelligence communities are
implementing far-reaching changes that blur the lines
between terrorism and other kinds of crises and will
break down long-established barriers to military action
and surveillance within the U.S.

"We must start thinking differently," says Air Force
Gen. Ralph E. "Ed" Eberhart, the newly installed
commander of Northern Command, the military's
homeland security arm. Before 9/11, he says, the
military and intelligence systems were focused on "the
away game" and not properly focused on "the home
game." "Home," of course, is the United States.

Eberhart's Colorado-based command is charged with enhancing homeland
security in two ways: by improving the military's capability to defend the country's
borders, coasts and airspace — unquestionably within the military's
long-established mission — and by providing "military assistance to civil
authorities" when authorized by the secretary of Defense or the president.

That too may sound unexceptionable: The military has long had mechanisms to
respond to a request for help from state governors. New after 9/11 are more
aggressive preparations and the presumption that local government will not be
able to carry the new homeland security load. Being the military, moreover,
contingency planners approach preparing by assuming the worst. All of this is a
major — and potentially dangerous — departure from past policy.

The U.S. military operates under the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits
the direct use of federal troops "to execute the laws" of the United States. The
courts have interpreted this to mean that the military is prohibited from any active
role in direct civilian law enforcement, such as search, seizure or arrest of
civilians.

"There are abundant reasons for rejecting the further expansion of the military's
domestic role," says Mackubin T. Owens, a professor of strategy and force
planning at the Naval War College. Looking at the issue historically, Owens
wrote in an August 2002 essay in the National Review's online edition that "the
use of soldiers as a posse [places] them in the uncomfortable position of taking
orders from local authorities who had an interest in the disputes that provoked the
unrest in the first place." Moreover, Owens said, becoming more involved in
domestic policing can be "subtle and subversive … like a lymphoma or termite
infestation." Though we are far from having "tanks rumbling through the streets,"
he said, the potential long-term effect of an increasing military role in police and
law enforcement activities is "a military contemptuous of American society and
unresponsive to civilian authorities."

Eberhart says his Northern Command operates scrupulously within the bounds of
the law. "We believe the [Posse Comitatus] Act, as amended, provides the
authority we need to do our job, and no modification is needed at this time," he
told the House Armed Services Committee in March.

Of course, what he knows is that amendments approved by Congress in 1996 for
that earlier civilian war, the war on drugs, have already expanded the military's
domestic powers so that Washington can act unilaterally in dispatching the military
without waiting for a state's request for help. Long before 9/11, Congress
authorized the military to assist local law enforcement officials in domestic "drug
interdiction" and during terrorist incidents involving weapons of mass destruction.
Furthermore, the president, after proclaiming a state of emergency, can authorize
additional actions.

Indeed, the military is presently operating under just such an emergency
declaration. Eberhart's command has defined three levels of operations, each of
which triggers a larger set of authorized activities. The levels are "extraordinary,"
"emergency" and "temporary." At the "temporary" level, which covers such things
as the Olympic Games or the Super Bowl, limited assistance can be provided to
law enforcement agencies when a governor requests it, primarily in such areas as
logistics, transportation and communications. During "emergencies," the military
can provide similar support, mostly in response to specific events such as the
attacks on the World Trade Center.

It is only in the case of "extraordinary" domestic operations that the unique
capabilities of the Defense Department are deployed. These include not just such
things as air patrols to shoot down hijacked planes or the defusing of bombs and
other explosives, , but also bringing in intelligence collectors, special operators
and even full combat troops.

Given the absence of terrorist attacks inside the United States since 9/11, it may
seem surprising that Northern Command is already working under the
far-reaching authority that goes with "extraordinary operations." But it is.

"We are not going to be out there spying on people," Eberhart told PBS'
NewsHour in September. But, he said, "We get information from people who
do." Some of that information increasingly comes not from the FBI or those
charged with civilian law enforcement but from a Pentagon organization
established last year, the Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA). The
seemingly innocuous CIFA was originally given the mission of protecting the
Defense Department and its personnel, as well as "critical infrastructure," against
espionage conducted by terrorists and foreign intelligence services.

But in August, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld expanded CIFA's
mission, charging it with maintaining "a domestic law enforcement database that
includes information related to potential terrorist threats directed against the
Department of Defense." The group's Assessments and Technology Directorate,
which shares offices with the Justice Department's Foreign Terrorist Tracking
Task Force, has already identified 200 foreign terrorist suspects in the U.S.,
according to a Defense Department report to Congress.

This year, the Pentagon inspector general authorized assigning military special
agents to 56 FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force operations at FBI field offices.
These military agents will pursue leads in local communities of potential threats to
the military. Eberhart also plans to have his own cadre of agents working with
local law enforcement. Next year, he plans to transform Joint Task Force Six, a
drug interdiction unit of 160 military personnel at Ft. Bliss, Texas, into Joint
Interagency Task Force North. The new task force will be given nationwide
responsibility for working with law enforcement agencies.

CIFA, moreover, has been given a domestic "data mining" mission: figuring out a
way to process massive sets of public records, intercepted communications,
credit card accounts, etc., to find "actionable intelligence." "Homeland defense
relies on the sharing of actionable intelligence among the appropriate federal,
state, and local agencies," says Lt. Gen. Edward G. Anderson III, Eberhart's
deputy.

Another ambitious domestic project is being undertaken by the National
Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which is gathering "geospatial information" about
133 cities, the borders and seaports. This "urban data inventory" combines
unclassified and classified data (including such things as the location of emergency
services, communications, transportation and food supplies) with a high-resolution
satellite map of the United States. When the mapping efforts are completed, a
national "spatial data infrastructure" will be created down to the house level.
Intelligence analysts speak of one day being able to identify individual occupants,
as well as their national background and political affiliations. Though the military is
just getting its systems in place, there can be no other conclusion: Domestic
surveillance is back.

It's not that we're heading toward martial law. We're not. But outside the view of
most of the public, the government is daily expanding military operations into
areas of local government and law enforcement that historically have been
off-limits. And it doesn't seem far-fetched to imagine that those charged with
assembling "actionable intelligence" will slowly start combining databases of
known terrorists with seemingly innocuous lists of contributors to charities or
causes, that membership lists for activist organizations will be folded in, that
names and personal data of anti-globalization protesters will be run through the
"data mine." After all, the mission of Northern Command and other Pentagon
agencies is to identify groups and individuals who could potentially pose threats to
Defense Department and civilian installations.

Given all this, it might be a good time for state and local governments to ask
themselves whether the federal government, through the military, is slowly eroding
their power to manage what — for very good reasons — have always been
considered local responsibilities.

CC



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/23/2003 8:45:41 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Then of course there is the OTHER card...similar to your pathetic accusastion that someone that speaks up isn't AMERICAN....Bush is doing the same foul thing

Bush Campaign Chief Calls Democrats
Weak on Security
By Michael Finnegan, Times Staff Writer

BOCA RATON, Fla. — The manager of President
Bush's reelection campaign portrayed Democratic
candidates Saturday as weak on terrorism and defense,
saying the 2004 race would offer a choice between
"victory in Iraq or insecurity in America."

The remarks by campaign chief Ken Mehlman
underscored the prominent role that the Bush team
expects national security to play in the president's
reelection effort. But his comments also led Democrats
to renew accusations that Bush was exploiting the Iraq
war and the fight against terrorism for political gain.

In a speech to Republican governors at a conference in
Palm Beach County, Mehlman spoke at length about
Bush's response to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He
said the administration had dismantled terrorist cells in
Detroit, Seattle, Portland, Ore., Tampa, Fla., Buffalo,
N.Y., and northern Virginia; filed criminal charges against 286 people; and
detained more than 3,000 suspects in 90 countries.

"As long as George W. Bush is president, the front lines of the war on terror will
be Baghdad and Kandahar, not Boston and Kansas City," Mehlman said.

He went on to accuse unnamed Democrats of trying to "weaken the very laws
that bring terrorists to justice."

"When liberty's survival is threatened by terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere, our
leading critics offer weakness and vacillation," he said. "Instead of support, they
would cut and run." While touching on tax cuts and other issues, Mehlman made
war and terrorism the centerpiece of his campaign overview for 2004.

"Eleven months from now, we will choose between victory in Iraq or insecurity in
America," he said. "Eleven months from now, we will choose between more
money in the pockets of America's families or more money in the coffers of the
federal government in Washington. And 11 months from now, we will choose
between a leader of principle or a politician of protest, of pandering and of
pessimism."

Mehlman's remarks came a day before the Republican Party was to start running
a television ad that also trumpets Bush's record on terrorism. Democratic
candidates for president have denounced the ad, and aides were quick to criticize
Mehlman's comments for much the same reasons.

"Clearly, President Bush has made a decision to politicize the war on terror," said
Erik Smith, a spokesman for Rep. Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri. "Not only is
it beneath this president to do so, but it's particularly repugnant while we have
troops in the field of battle." Bush, he added, is using troops "as political pawns."

Tricia Enright, a spokeswoman for Democratic candidate Howard Dean, said the
president's advisors "obviously recognize that the American people are concerned
about Bush's handling of foreign policy" — most of all the war in Iraq.

"We're not safer here at home, and the American people are certainly feeling that
way," she said.

In January 2002, Karl Rove, Bush's top political advisor at the White House,
touched off a similar clash with Democrats when he spoke openly about the
political influence of the war in Afghanistan.

In a speech to Republicans in Austin, Texas, Rove urged GOP congressional
candidates to stress the war in their campaigns. Democrats expressed outrage,
but Republicans followed his advice — and went on to pick up seats in the
November election.

CC



To: Dan B. who wrote (497419)11/24/2003 7:24:32 PM
From: Howard C.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Well, Dan, I am proud to see that others here have responded to your pathetic post in a very appropriate fashion. If you have asked such a question, then it is YOU who do not have a clue of what it means to be an American. In fact, Danny Boy, (that is what the "B" stands for?), why don't you move to one of those fine dictatorial countries, where you can feel VERY comfortable asking the dissenters, at the point of a gun: "Are you people patriotic?"

By the way....was that question meant as a threat, or only to demonstrate your ignorance?