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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/25/2003 5:48:51 PM
From: kumar	Respond to of 793597

one difference is that Mr Bush has given no indication of a belief in "1 person, 1 vote, 1 time". Thats what Hitler accomplished in real terms.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/25/2003 6:05:19 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 793597

This is no place to get a grade school history lesson. I am always open to listen to reasons on what is the difference. Am I wrong in what I said and how.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/25/2003 6:11:12 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793597

<<Mike, how would you explain the Bush doctrine of pre emptive strikes.>> Can I step in here? You see a building threat and you kill it.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/25/2003 6:36:18 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793597

"Mike, how would you explain the Bush doctrine of pre emptive strikes." As something Europe should have done vis a vis Hitler in the late 1920s and early 1930s.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/25/2003 8:24:58 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793597

Remember my comment about if "Wishes were Horses, SC? Here is the latest poll from Florida, a state Bush almost lost. Now he has a twenty point lead. I think you are out of touch with political reality. _______________________________________ Poll: Bush way ahead in Florida Lieberman leads Democrats in state survey By Bill Cotterell DEMOCRAT POLITICAL EDITOR Tallahassee News Florida voters trust President Bush more than any of his Democratic rivals to run the war in Iraq and restore the economy, a poll released Monday indicated. The Mason-Dixon Florida Poll said Bush's overall approval rating has held steady - although his disapproval numbers have risen since last summer. But in head-to-head matchups with his major Democratic challengers, Bush led by 20 points or more. The first Mason-Dixon poll taken since Sen. Bob Graham dropped out of the presidential contest also showed a close race in the nine-Democrat field. Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., had 21-percent support - drawing heavily on name identification from his 2000 vice-presidential campaign and popularity in urban areas of Southeast Florida - but former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean was gaining on him at 17 percent. "We're gratified to be leading the '04 field in Florida," said Jano Cabrera, a Lieberman campaign spokesman in Arlington, Va. "Senator Lieberman has obviously had a very special relationship with the state." Brad Coker, director of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research Inc., said that with Graham out of the race, no Democratic candidates are widely known in Florida. "A significant 23 percent are still undecided, which basically means that the Florida primary is still up for grabs and will likely be influenced by what happens in the earlier primary and caucus states," Coker said. The survey on issues and the president's popularity was conducted last week among 625 registered voters, with a margin of error of 4 percent. Mason-Dixon also ran an "over-sampling" of 379 registered Democrats, to test the strength of Bush's challengers, and that sampling had a 5-percent error margin. The polling was sponsored by the Tallahassee Democrat and several other newspapers and broadcasters in the state. Florida is crucial With 27 electoral votes, Florida is the key to the White House next November. After a 36-day standoff of court fights, recounts and street demonstrations, Bush carried the state by only 537 votes in 2000. But the easy re-election of his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, and the GOP sweep of Cabinet seats last year, plus a rebounding economy in recent weeks, have been seen as signs of strength for his re-election effort. Cabrera noted that Bush's handling of the war was favored by only 54 percent of those surveyed, while 52 percent supported his economic policies. "Poll after poll show the electorate is very evenly divided on Bush's handling of the economy and the war," he said. "The last president who had poll numbers approaching below 50 percent on the economy was another Bush, back in 1991." Tallahassee City Commissioner Allan Katz, a Dean supporter, said he was "very encouraged" to see Dean within the poll's margin of error, behind Lieberman. "The good news is, Governor Dean is clearly climbing among Democrats, and he isn't doing any worse against President Bush than any of the other Democrats," Katz said. "He's not well-known down here, but the fact that Dean has done so well around the country will begin to seep into Florida as the campaign goes on." Coker said it was significant that Bush's favorable name recognition stood at 53 percent, compared with 30 percent unfavorable. That's a 4-percent increase since July in the number of voters with an unfavorable view of the incumbent, but much better than the favorable-unfavorable ratios of Dean (21-22 percent), Lieberman (32-27 percent) and retired Gen. Wesley Clark (24-18 percent). Dean, Lieberman and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., have made some forays into Florida, but most of the Democrats are concentrating their efforts in Iowa, which has caucuses on Jan. 19, and New Hampshire, which has a primary on Jan. 27. The Democratic nomination probably will be decided before Florida has its March 9 primary. Coker said the Florida numbers will surely shift after the early primaries, when some low-scoring candidates drop out and one to three survivors see a "bounce" out of the Sunbelt primaries from South Carolina to Arizona in February. He said Bush's 54-percent approval on conduct of the war and 52-percent voter confidence on the economy mean "it will be very difficult for the Democrats to win in Florida" next year. tallahassee.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/26/2003 2:30:39 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793597

How would you explain Bush chiding the UN as inefficient. This was too easy to pass up. Because they are... If world peace were left up to Europe, we would have a major war every 10 years and most of the nations of the world would be fascist. American leadership in foreign affairs is as strongly required today as it has been for 60 years. Far too many Europeans are reading their daily communist tabloids for information about the world, and living in an ignorant fantasy-land of American imperialism. I know because I'm living here now and am able to read a few of the daily newspapers. The leftist slant in journalism makes Dan Rather look like Rush Limbaugh's kin son in comparison.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (17743)	11/26/2003 3:34:46 PM
From: greenspirit	Respond to of 793597

Mike, how would you explain the Bush doctrine of pre emptive strikes. President Bush explained it rather well in his most recent speech. Here are a few snipets... "This war began more than two years ago, on September the 11th, 2001, when America was attacked, and thousands of our fellow citizens were murdered. The events of that morning changed our nation. We awakened to new dangers and we accepted new responsibilities. That day we saw the harm that our enemies intend for us. And last week, we saw their cruelty again, in the murders in Istanbul. Today America, Britain and Turkey and all responsible nations are united in a great cause: We will not rest until we bring these committed killers to justice. (Applause.) "These terrorists will not be stopped by negotiations, or by appeals to reason, or by the least hint of conscience. We have only one option: We must, and we will continue to take the fight to the enemy. (Applause.) "We fight this war against terror on many fronts. Terrorists hide and strike within free societies, so we're draining their bank accounts, disrupting their plans. We're hunting them down one by one until they can no longer threaten America and other free peoples. "Terrorists need places to hide, to plot, and to train, so we're holding their allies, the allies of terror to account. (Applause.) Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda, and put the Taliban out of business forever. (Applause.) "In Iraq, where a dictator defied the world, cultivated ties to terror, armed with deadly weapons, America led a mission to make the world safer, and to liberate the Iraqi people. And that brutal dictator's regime is no more. (Applause.) Thanks to our great military, Iraqi citizens do not have to fear the dictator's secret police or ending in a mass grave. Thanks to our military, the torture chambers are closed, and the prison cells for children are empty. Thanks to our military, we have captured many members of the former regime, and the rest of them have a lot to worry about. (Applause.) "Our mission in Iraq and Afghanistan is clear to our service members, and it's clear to our enemies. America's military is fighting to secure the freedom of more than 50 million people who recently lived under two of the cruelest dictatorships on earth. America's military is fighting to help democracy and peace and justice rise in a troubled and violent region. And because we're fighting terrorist enemies thousands of miles away, in the heart and center of their power, we are making the United States of America more secure. (Applause.) "Today, American forces in Iraq are joined by about 24,000 troops from 32 other countries. Together, we're helping the Iraqi people move steadily toward a free and democratic society. Economic life is being restored to cities of Iraq. A new Iraqi currency is circulating. Local governments are up and running. Iraq will soon begin the process of drafting a constitution, with free elections to follow. As Iraq joins -- rejoins the world, it will demonstrate the power of freedom and hope to overcome resentment and hatred. And this transformation will help make America more secure. (Applause.) "The work we are in is not easy, yet it is essential. The failure of democracy in Iraq would provide new bases for the terrorist network and embolden terrorists and their allies around the world. The failure of democracy in those countries would convince terrorists that America backs down under attack. Yet democracy will succeed in Iraq, because our will is firm and our word is good. Democracy will succeed because every month, more and more Iraqis are fighting for their own country. People we have liberated will not surrender their freedom. Democracy will succeed because the United States of America will not be intimidated by a bunch of thugs. (Applause.)"