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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4695)	11/28/2003 3:58:12 AM
From: Coz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

Y'know Raymond, It seems like every president of every party has this mandatory fixation on visiting the troops in a dangerous place. All I can really say about this episode is that if it makes our gallant soldiers feel good, then I'm glad Mr. Bush sneaked in there at did it. And I won't deny that it took courage on his part to do it too. The very way he slipped in and out of there under cover of darkness, the best kept secret of his reign, actually exposes the level of fear there is among his advisors over the current conditions in their experiment of democracy. And even though those of us who dislike Mr. Bush will look for the faults in this visit. His supporters will see this as heroic. I think his supporters needed to see something like this from him since on his earlier visit to the region he was only willing to do a fly over. That seemed a little wimpy. This makes up for that. Also, I don't think you can sidestep the tradition. Even though Mr. Bush is still side stepping visiting the families of those who have lost sons and parents to Bush's crusade, it might be even more important that he follow the tradition of presidents visiting the troops near the hot zone. Of course we all know there are walls of soldiers and fighting vehicles serving as human sacrifices between the president and the enemy. Still I think this visit is an uncharacteristically strong gesture on his part to say, hey look. I'm with you guys. Thank you for fighting my war for me. Think about how much that must mean to men and women in that miserable desert, many facing depression over their lot. Some sinking so far as to do suicide. I cannot help but believe it will make our soldiers feel that there is a connection now on some level, and it will raise their spirits. I just wanted to bring up a few points on this as someone who truly wants to see a new president in 04. I think that if we are going to accomplish that, whoever leads the pack is going to have to formulate a clear plan first for jobs and our economy that does not so much penalize current recipients of the great neocon giveaway of the US, but makes gradual, sensible changes towards getting the bills paid and holding jobs here in the US for American workers. The dem candidate secondly needs to address Iraq, not by running away from Bush’s crusade, but by having in depth talks with the powerful men of the region. A plan needs to be developed that benefits their people and their culture and if there is a way to tie in democracy, all the better. The Dem candidate has to remind people that saving the environment is saving their children and grand children. We all knew this a decade ago, but have been confused by the constant din of propaganda. I could go on, but the gist of it is, a Dem candidate has to offer a plan that builds a better future. He has to lay off the temptations to point out the failings of Bush and his neocons. If there is a clear positive alternative to their police state, endless war, and living in fear, people are going to look at it. The things is, from here on out, you KNOW that the Bush presidency is going to be about only one thing--positive publicity stunts. So even if ol'George straps on an M16 and parachutes on top of one of Sadam's Winnebagos of Death and personally kicks the "evil one's" arse. That stunt won't really make much difference for Bush if the Dems show a clear plan to make the world a better place for kids and old folks, and leads us away from the treachery of war. I'm not religious, but I know enough to see the neocons are really fixated in the old testament. It's time for the Dems to remind the Christian religious that Jesus came a died to bring the NEW testament, and Jesus doesn't do wars. He makes his points by personally standing up and taking responsibility for his actions. I cannot think of a single instance where Jesus made the world a better place by strapping on his body armor and going gunning for those evil dudes over on the next block. I cannot help but believe that the Christians would rather follow the new ways that Jesus brought rather than to ignore what he said so they could hang on to all the smiting, and gnashing of teeth, and wiping the dust off the face of the earth where once powerful peoples lived. The neocons appear to use Jesus. True Christian follow him. So now that I've made a long story here... to be short. Let Bush have his heroic moment and truly hope that it lifts the spirits of the real fighting men and women over there. And remember, these photo-op stunts are not what the next election should be about. The Dems are not going to win if all they do is point out the wrongs this administration is doing. --Cozzz

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4695)	11/28/2003 10:31:46 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Boogie on..... danzigercartoons.com

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4695)	11/28/2003 6:36:11 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 20773

..the dummkopfs in the Army Reserves and the National Guard..Not only do the chumps have to stump up for a full year deployment in a sheethole of a country. They also have to commit to at least an additional 90 days on the front end of that commitment for stateside training, and possibly another 90 days on the back side. What an ungrateful sack of shit! Another disgusting peak into the sick mind of Ray Duray. Almost as bad as when he badmouthed the folks who died at the WTC back in '01.