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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45084)	11/28/2003 8:07:56 AM
From: Snowman	Respond to of 50167

Your writing is refreshing to see.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45084)	11/28/2003 8:40:09 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 50167

You should send a copy of "Waiting for Allah" to the Persian Journal? Here's another analysis & objectivity lesson from their publication/website , though Islam should in no way be singled out, it is the pitfall of religion vs myth and fact that get inexorably intertwined with tales so enhanced for mass consumption & dellusion... and turning fanatics into martyrs and villains into saints, and lead people to revisit constantly flaming old hatreds ad infinitum. "Islam, a Dangerous Political Ideology " iranian.ws It is so excruciatingly laughable that we are still stuck today with the business of suspicious derision , and name calling and war ...of Islamists accusing Christians of Crusading and yet Islam forgetting their own glorious infamies of the same kind . Each has walled itself in with the inevitable irrationalities , obsessions that accompany enforced belief without regard for objective reality . But things are changing fast, and each has much to learn from the other , and generations to come mingle commune and coexist. God certainly must be crying eternal tears for his well-meaning children , to see all this corruption & turmoil over what is holy and originally true & inspired and borne out of original vision & essence of universal charity .....that maybe a Buddha saw simply or a Christ saw clearly ..or what inspired Mohammed under a crescent moon out alone in the desert , each in their respective places in time. But we all were shaped originally out of the forces of nature and the seat of knowledge and growth has at its foundations the bare instincts of survival and neccessity at its foundation . How noble the stories of man , attempting to make sense & shape his life out of the chaos that has surrounded and enveloped him in the womb of time.....coming from out of an experience that is equal to 1 million times the life of a Methusela...and no Holy Book could even dare to begin to tell the tale or even depict one thousandth the whole truth of it. And yet caught up in all this , we miss most of the gist of it , Life the great experience. " Oh love , could thou and i conspire to grasp this sorry scheme of things entire would we not shatter it to bits and remould it nearer the heart's desire..." O Khayyam

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45084)	11/29/2003 4:52:16 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 50167

Hi Iqbal, Re: they need to heap the reasons of their failures on someone else. In the recent century it happens to be the US; in the last century it was colonialism. I'm wondering if perhaps you've had a chance to read Stephen Kinzer's "All the Shah's Men"? amazon.com I'm in the midst of reading it right now, and I'm finding it to be thoroughly convincing that U.S. conniving in the internal affairs of Iran for the sake of the forerunner to British Petroleum was indeed at the root of much of the chaos in Iran over the last half of the 20th Century. By stifling a nascent democracy and nationalism in Iran and replacing it with a puppet and a despot like Shah Reza Pahlavi, the U.S. set up the course of anti-Americanism and Middle East terrorism in a classic case of "blowback". Kinzer does an excellent job of differentiating the Zoroastrian roots of Shi'ite Islam as practiced in Iran from the more fundamentalist and militant Islam as practiced by the Saudi/Beduouin Wahhabists. You might find the book to be useful in further drilling down into the essentially fractured nature of Islam which you seem to sometimes paint with, IMHO, rather too broad a brushstroke. :) Salaams, Ray