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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (500992)	11/30/2003 2:40:58 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

We must leave.....let the Saudi's deal with the mess....let Bush deal with the mess.... Bush must be impeached CC

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (500992)	11/30/2003 3:09:13 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

What do you think the result would be if the Americans left tomorrow? There would be jubilation and celebrations across the globe. Every national capital would throw a huge party. Ken Livingstone, the Mayor of London, would invite Bush back and offer to double the $12,000 he spent on a party at City Hall for the anti-Bush protestors. McDonald's hamburgers would once again sell in Paris. Though not for too long a period. And what would happen in Iraq? There would be a massive blooming of construction projects, employment would rise dramatically, street crime would go to near zero, the oil industry would come roaring back, as would trade and other industries. Without the burden of sanctions regimes with the jackboot of American imperialism smashing the lifeblood of the Iraqi economy, new arts and cultural amenities would flourish. School attendance would skyrocket, women would feel safe to travel to markets. Normality would return almost overnight. And that's without George Bush paying reparations. All the Iraqis want is exactly the same thing the thuggish and murderous Texans in Tikrit and Karbalah and Mosul and Baghdad want. They want the enemy out of the homeland. *** Re: We cannot undo what has been done. I once heard a proverb about when you are in a deep hole the best thing to do is to stop digging? Does that ring a bell with you? What the heck do you think your sense of duty and obligation to "finish the job" is going to mean to the Iraqis? About 50,000 more murders before you finally get the idea that you really, truly, deeply, mercilessly are hated in Baghdad. All that pious crap about spreading "democracy" notwithstanding. The Middle East knows that all Americans on their soil speak with forked tongues and are back-stabbing double-dealing betrayal artists. You among them. So get over your bleeding heart. Nobody wants it. They just want you to get the hell out of their homes. *** Re: The lessons that we learned in Vietnam are manifold. Manifolds, carbuerators, jets.... none of it worked against a little determined farmer with a pot of shit and a sharpened shaft of bamboo set just right on G.I. Joe's trail. *** Re: One of the lessons we learned in Vietnam was that we were chronically underdeployed for the entire war. Nonsense. We were chronically overdeployed from 1952 to 1975. We had no business being there. *** Re: Our problem in Iraq is one of security. Wrong. Our problem is being despicable colonialists. *** Re: At this point in time if we were to pull out, the vacuum would suck UBL and Al Qaeda right into the void. You've bought the company line.... hook, line and sinker. OBL isn't going to leave his CIA safe house to go to Iraq. What possible benefit would that be to him? He has much better opportunities in S.A. of Afghanistan. He wouldn't be welcomed in the Kurdish areas where opium cultivation might be introduced in Iraq, and the Sunni areas are too hot for the crop. *** Re: We don't have any other option now, except to try to work with NATO and the UN in expanding the troops, Nonsense. We have the option to do the honorable thing and send George Bush and Cheney in and bring the troops home. Let them fight their own battle. *** Re: I'm angry at the way this war was started. It was wrong headedness from the gitgo. But pulling out today and leaving behind that mess would be wrong too. Wow, you really have a major league dose of noblesse oblige going this morning. I have a few simple words of wisdom I'd like to share with you. GET OVER IT! <g> We are morally reprehensible for being in Iraq. The solution is to skedaddle. Not to become more morally reprehensible by sending in more troops, killing more Iraqis, inciting more resistance and turning what is a bloody mess into a catastrophe. And a catastrophe is exactly what McCain and Clinton are proposing. They have no idea what they are talking about.