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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (120754)	12/1/2003 11:24:56 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Neither Arabs nor Jews had sovereignty under the Turk, nor Druze, nor Maronite, nor lots of other people. Only Arabs deserved it aftewards. That's your position. Bullshit. My position is that the seizure of sovereignty by one group on terms fundamentally unacceptable to the others made a peaceful resolution of the territorial conflict impossible. There was a solution available: the establishment of an independent secular state with equal representation for all. That would not under any circumstances have been acceptable to the Zionists. Realistically, it would not have been acceptable to anyone by the 1930s - the conflict was too well established by then – but it would have been plausible if the Zionists had adopted that position from the beginning. They didn’t. They wanted it all. They got it all, but they got a solid dose of poison with it. Of course if they’d done it a couple of hundred years earlier, they could have expelled or exterminated the local population, and nobody would have cared. That’s what the Americans, Australians, and New Zealanders did, and it worked well for them, though in retrospect it is ironic, to say the least, that some of the most progressive democracies in the world were founded on the back of some of the most gratuitous oppression in human history. Unfortunately for the Zionists, they implemented their program at a time when acceptance of this sort of behaviour was no longer automatic. How can you justify, in any historical or moral sense, the establishment of a Jewish State in a territory where most of the population is not Jewish and does not want to live in a Jewish State? Do you not see the fundamental contradiction there?