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To: KLP who wrote (18205)	11/30/2003 6:28:12 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793801

kausfiles Whose Iraq "PR" Trip? Hillary's visit was more of a "stunt" than Bush's. By Mickey Kaus Updated Sunday, Nov. 30, 2003, at 1:52 AM PT Whose PR Stunt? From Reuters-- Dan Feldman, a National Security Council director under former President Bill Clinton, called the trip a "great PR stunt ... yet another in a long line of photo ops that don't say anything concrete about improving security and what our long-term plans are." [Emph. added] How was Bush's trip just a "great PR stunt" (using Iraq "as his stage") and Hillary Clinton's trip not just a less-great PR stunt using Iraq as her stage? Both politicians met with Iraqis as well as American troops. Both discussed substance. The difference is that Bush has a central role in the actual decision-making structure while Hillary's trip was a classic self-promotional effort by one of 100 senators. ... And, pace Howard Owens, there was something unseemly about Clinton's inability to refrain from sniping at Bush until she returned home. It's not that she violated the hoary bit of etiquette that says a U.S. politician should never criticize a U.S. president on foreign soil. I've never completely understood that rule. If Hillary had gone to Iraq and flat-out blasted Bush, that would have been fine by me. The problem is she smarmily wanted to have it both ways, pretending her trip was in part a morale-building visit to the troops while she griped about the mission the troops were on. Here's a home state paper account: The morale of the troops, she said, "is very high," but she said the military personnel with whom she spoke in meetings and during "two turkey dinners" wanted to know "how the people at home feel about what we are doing." " "Americans are wholeheartedly proud of what you are doing,' " Clinton said she replied, " "but there are many questions at home about the (Bush) administration's policies.' " Bet that fired them right up! ... slate.msn.com

To: KLP who wrote (18205)	11/30/2003 11:58:27 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 793801

LEFT: George Soros Barbra Strisand Alex Baldwin Peter B. Lewis (insurance billionaire) moveon.org Democrats.com America Coming Together The Nation American Prospect Magazine Ford Foundation Joel Hyatt (Hyatt Services Inc) The Institute for Policy Studies (Marcus Raskin) Center for American Progress (John Podesta) Mark Walsh (former AOL-newly purchased radio stations for left alterntive to right) Norman Lear CNN ABC CBS NBC MSNBC PBS Hoover Institute Hallmark Corporation CENTERIST: (Somewhat) Brookings Institute American Enterprise Institute (Richard Perle) CATO Institute RIGHT: Heritage Foundation Richard Mellon Scaife Americans for Tax Reform (Grover Norquist) Fox News