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To: GST who wrote (120790)12/1/2003 6:16:27 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
What I hear you saying is that the "Geneva Accord" is not in any way helpful and in many ways is harmful -- I am not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand

No problem, you got it.

It seems to me that there is no more hope for peace, and no serious intent to pursue it any longer -- all hope is gone -- that is the feeling I get when I listen to people, such as yourself, who are deeply invested in this issue

For the moment. To me, negotiating with the PA while Arafat is still alive is like negotiating with Hitler in 1944. Obviously, the situations are not identical, but they are alike in this - both polities have a crazy autocrat at their head, who is absolutely intent on war and victory, has led a large proportion of his people into sharing his madness, has shown that he can keep control even after his choices lead to disaster, and has been proven a liar and a breaker of all agreements a thousand times over.

Negotiating with such a man is much worse than useless. Deeply, deeply counter-productive. He will pocket all concessions and give nothing back but more lies.

Many Palestinians wish to chart a different course - Barry Rubin says Abu Ala is one of them, and I respect Barry Rubin's judgement on these matters - just as many German officers wanted to chart a different course in 1944. But the German officers failed to kill Hitler, and I doubt the Palestinians can even manage a try. As the Palestinians say, "We're like the Bedouins. We follow our sheikhs.", meaning, you're stuck with a bad leader for life (yet another cause of the backwardness of the Arabs).

But it does not mean all hope is gone forever. Arafat won't last forever, or even much longer, G-d willing, and the situation may be different when he goes. Obviously, negotiating with Adenauer in 1949 was a very different and far more productive situation than negotiating with Hitler in 1944.

Also, no one knows what the rest of the Middle East will be like in a few years. If we win in Iraq, things may be quite different, the pressure will be on Syria and SA to make real changes. If they pay attention to reforms, the attention to Palestine, the Great Excuse and Scapegoat, may lift. I get the feeling from some of your remarks that you have been following the Israeli/Pal conflict by just paying attention to the Israelis and the Palestinians; this is a big mistake. The Israelis and Palestinians, left to themselves, could have worked something out long ago. It is the pressure of the rest of the Arabs, the Iranians and the Eurocrats, using the Palestinians as proxy fighters, sending the money, financing Fatah, Hizbullah and Hamas, pressuring always for war and not peace, that has made the conflict unsolvable even by high degrees of US pressure.



To: GST who wrote (120790)12/1/2003 9:15:35 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Debka has written a report of the Geneva accord photo-ops, which they regard as being a platform for Yossi Beilin's ambitions. This report strikes me as both jaundiced (the writers of debka have no love lost for Beilin) and credible - Beilin is clearly trying to leverage himself back into power on a Euro - Leftist platform, having been soundly repudiated by Israeli voters. :

Bailin’s Geneva Stepping Stone to Top of Israeli Politics

DEBKAfile Special Analysis

December 2, 2003, 1:19 AM (GMT+02:00)


Yasser Abd Rabbo & Yossi Bailin - Geneva Accord duo


The glitzy ceremony in a Geneva auditorium on December 1 did very little to promote Israeli-Palestinian peace - it was more a Palestinian hate Israel platform - but a great deal to place Yossi Bailin, the Israeli co-author of the unofficial peace accords, on the road to realizing his political ambitions at home.

The day before the Geneva ceremonies, he joined his new partners in launching a new left-wing party, using the Geneva Accords as the cornerstone of its platform and the lead-in to his own coronation as party leader. But even before that takes place, he is looking ahead to a much broader power base, the formation of a leftwing-cum-centrist bloc, carved out of the splinters he expects to chip off from other groupings. This ambition shone through the closing moments of the Geneva peace fest. Palestinian and Israeli initiators of the Geneva Accord were invited to stand on the platform together with Bailin and his Palestinian partner Yasser Abd Rabbo. The Israelis – some of whom are members of Labor’s left wing faction, leapt up, hugged and patted each other on the backs. The Palestinians kept to their seats in the hall leaving Abd Rabbo high and dry.

A second apparently minor incident took place on the fringes of the celebration. The new left-wing party, one day old, suddenly changed its name from Yaad – Destination, to Yi’ud – Destiny. Some Russian-speakers whispered in Bailin’s ear that Yaad sounds like the Russian word for poison. In mid-peace celebration, the still unelected leader of the new left-wing party abruptly authorized a change of name, already loath to forego any part of the largely right of center and centrist Russian electorate back home.

No Israeli TV channel aired the Geneva ceremony in full, merely selecting what appeared to the different reporters to be a balanced version. That is unfortunate. The Israeli electorate was entitled to a live, unexpurgated version of a political event of such importance. They would have seen for themselves how Palestinian representatives took over and dominated the occasion with strident diatribes against US President George Bush and Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon and warm praise for Yasser Arafat. One speaker after another, his back to the olive tree adorning the platform, accused Israel of practicing the same sort of apartheid as the white regime of South Africa, of directing cruel racialist policies against the Palestinian people and of building settlements and a separation wall to satisfy its siege mentality.

The Palestinian participants appeared well-rehearsed and put their case cogently, never departing from their central theme, a powerful indictment of Israeli actions and the Jewish state per se.

Israeli speakers, for their part, appeared to be at sea and at odds with each other’s messages all of which harped on peace as a concept without too much content. Nothing was said about Palestinian suicidal terror, the fading of the Oslo Peace Accords and who buried them, or even the Middle East road map. Displays of abject self-abasement before Palestinians such as the one presented to the Geneva audience must surely be rare. A Palestinian troupe played and sang the Prisoners Song by Muhammad Darwish, the anthem of the Palestinian terrorists in Israeli prisons. The Israeli audience, including ex-chief of staff Amnon Lipkin-Shahak, applauded.

Former US president Jimmy Carter and Hollywood actor Richard Dreyfuss launched tirades against the Bush administration and its head. Carter accused George W. Bush of failing to address the sufferings of the Palestinian people which he said were the main cause of terror and hostility towards America in the Middle East. In other words, Bush policies were responsible for world terrorism – an unusually harsh judgment of a White House incumbent to be voiced in public by a former US president, especially in the middle of a war.

A key role in the proceedings and the drafting of the Geneva Accord was played – albeit behind the scenes – by another American called Rob Malley, formerly of the Clinton team. Of Egyptian origin, Malley does not admit to being Jewish. He was one of Clinton’s senior advisers at the August 2000 Camp David talks between Arafat and prime minister Ehud Barak, whose failure led into Arafat’s current terrorist confrontation with Israel. [Note: Malley was co-author of some FA papers where he tried hard to argue that the breakdown of Camp David and Taba was not Arafat's fault and the deal on offer wasn't that great. To make this argument, he had to dance around several of the known facts, imo, such as the indisputed fact that Arafat left the table without a counter, even after Taba's offer of 95%+ of the territories, and boasted himself that he "had turned the table over". Malley and Dennis Ross went back and forth on the issue several times -nsc].

The tenor of Carter’s address seemed to indicate that the ex-president has made common cause with the American Democratic left wing and certain European leaders to challenge Bush on his Iraq policy and his attitude towards the Palestinians.

On the basis of these shared sentiments and links, Yossi Bailin was anointed European partner and head of the new Israeli party by his foreign friends, former French lawmaker Simon Weill in the name of Jacques Chirac, Russian Middle East ambassador Andrei Vdovin for Vladimir Putin and Lord Levy for Tony Blair.

While the entire project was backed by the Swiss government, most of the funding and groundwork came from the Brussels-based ICG – International Crisis Group. Its head is Gareth Evans who, as foreign minister of an Australian Labor government advocated the distancing of Canberra from Washington and its transformation into a regional Asian power. Bailin will base his ongoing marketing campaign for the Geneva Accords to the public around the world, on continued financial and political backing from the Europe-oriented ICG. He cannot expect much help in Israel where he has little voter support.

For the first time in Israel’s 50 years as a state, therefore, an aspiring Israeli politician has embarked on a militant course to alienate Israel from its powerful, close historic partnership with the United States and replace it with European backing for himself as their Israeli spokesman and for his political aspirations. This is what the Geneva Accord and Bailin’s close ties with Palestinian leaders are all about.

All the same, US secretary of state Colin Powell is willing to receive Europe’s new Middle East protégé in Washington later this week.

Most surprising of all is the absence of any response to the Geneva spectacle and its damaging implications for his own polices from prime minister Sharon’s office.
debka.com