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To: Dayuhan who wrote (18315)	12/1/2003 11:29:58 PM
From: kumar	Respond to of 793670

This… you can't overcome addiction on your own. …is an outright lie. I would not go as far as saying its a "lie" - its a misperception, that some believe in. Been thru rehab, AA, 12 step etc - finally gave up participation, coz the stress of counting "1 more sober day in my life" was not worth the benefit. These days, I'm no longer drinking like I used to, but the occasional beer is not too bad - I neither miss it, nor crave it, I just enjoy it when the occasion is appropriate - explodes another myth in the AA thingammy - if u start again, u'll go back to where u left off.....

To: Dayuhan who wrote (18315)	12/2/2003 8:50:01 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793670

I guess it did touch your hot button from reading the post. I remember one doctor who worked the main line in Pa for 45 years. He remarked that drunks are really very intelligent people. The rumor goes fast with a lot of drunks. However, the people who came up with that saying were all living in Bryn Mawr area and very rich intelligent drunks. The doctor told me he could take them down to alleys in Philadelphia and show them many poor unintelligent drunks. I have to differ that there are many people who cannot get sober on there own. I have seen both sides in many years and do not know why one gets sober and another cannot. I do know money, intelligence has nothing to do with it. I recognized some time back that many are lonely, full of resentments, lots of anger and extremely independent in mind when they try to get sober. Most of those people do not make it without some guidance and support. The first thing is friendship, someone to reach out their hand and show they care. It is a big step for those who drink for what ever reason. Of course they are many who quit cold turkey and never require help. I believe this is the exception not the norm. I do not believe you need to attend meetings, stay without alcohol but for many unless they have been sober for some years will eventually relapse. To me the author completely missed the mark of AA. He was still telling his story in the rooms. This person never grew. Most of the meetings in AA are not about telling your story. Many are on various phases in going through life. How to improve yourself. How to look at other people and try to help them. How to look into yourself and improve your own emotions, objectives. It is not about not drinking, that is only the beginning , it is about how to live without drinking, going forward not living in the past.