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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Machaon who wrote (503596)	12/4/2003 1:56:06 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

So if millions of children are starving each day, or dying of disease, because the land and water cannot possibly support their needs, you don't think that overpopulation contributes to the scarcity of food and safe drinking water? Not in the least. What we have here is a failure of these populations to adapt to a particular niche. Natural Selection is merely balancing the ratio of humans to resources in that particular region. This gives us no cause at all to force birth control on anyone in any way. People have the innate right to choose support for contraception or not. Well.... there IS a "magic" population figure. It's when there are too many people for the amount of food and water that is available. You might call it magic. I call it common sense. It is stupidity if it results in the denial of human rights. If people are concentrated in a niche, they must adapt to different resources, use superior abilities to garner traditional resources, move into a new niche or die. This is the way of the world and it does not justify our forcing anyone to contracept or to support contraception. I hope that he has a full and speedy recovery. My boy is quite fine, much healthier in every way than every leftist I have known. His answer humorously shows how ridiculous leftists can be when attempting to solve problems. Rather than attack the problems, leftists tend first to attack the humans. Abuse? Tell that to the millions of children who don't have clean drinking water, or food to eat. It is insane to not allow for contraception when you know that the excess litters are going to starve, or die a long and miserable death. This idea of "excess litters" just does not exist if nature allows them to exist. Nevertheless I am perfectly willing to allow for contraception, so long as those who contracept do it willingly and without forcing anyone else's support in any way. Contraception represents a philosophical assault against human identity. No one can be ethically forced to support that which is an objective assault upon one's own nature. You either support contraception, birth control and family planning, or you support slow, painful and miserable deaths for millions of children. What's your choice? I reject the "either/or" fallacy here. There are other options. Contraception and murdering children are not the panaceas you claim them to be. There is no way to control the huge amount of poisons that are being dumped into the world's oceans, streams and air, each and every day. Well, then in that case contraception is useless. You are not going to significantly reduce human populations by willing contraception. So, unless you are talking forced sterilizations contraception is as useless as regulations against greenhouse gases. You say, "WE" don't have to dump..... Who do you mean by "We"? It is the way that the humans on this planet are treating this earth, and it is only going to get worse, except in your dreamworld where pollution doesn't exist. Please... Your position is deeply flawed and you cannot rescue it by misrepresenting your opponent's views. I have already acknowledged the existence of pollution. I just don't think its existence gives us the right to murder people. Better to attack the pollution than people. If you wish to reduce population, then use education to show people how living more simply is healthier. A simpler society cannot sustain the population growth you fear. The problem with you is, you want to balance the earth just enough so that you can crap in your glass of water and not puke from it. And you want to do this by murdering people or otherwise slaughtering their rights. Either way, you are going to puke (else you ain't human). You may as well be reasonable about it. Better to just stop crapping in your glass and let people live.