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To: Condor who wrote (42477)	12/4/2003 8:24:48 PM
From: Snowshoe	Respond to of 74559

Had to call Equiserve today and talked to a guy I assumed was in India. He was quite efficient and helpful. The availability of foreign programmer/analysts is definitely making IT consulting bids more competitive. Sooner or later I will be affected.

To: Condor who wrote (42477)	12/4/2003 8:52:31 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<they were going to go after those companies>> doesn't mean boycott. It means other companies will follow them over seas. That's the translation of the term <<going after>>. There are two possibilities: either the people come to do the job in the US, thus replenishing the population, or the jobs go overseas. A few call back centers in Wyoming wouldn't hurt :-) (Sorry pezz, I overshoot you 3-line reading capacity.) I in 1983, was the first engineer that gate-crashed Siemens. Once the company had a taste of what we could do, the trend was inevitable. It was hard, but I did it! See this add. Today they are outsourcing everything. Siemens Senior Project Manager Contract _____ Our client are looking for an experienced Siemens Project Manager. To be considered for this position you must have experience in the following..Management and co-ordination of all service and operation related topics in the Siemens office. Supervise installation, commissioning, acceptance and documentation milestones Quality assurance procedures as per Service Quality Plan Observation of Deadlines Co-ordination of commercial matters with the local commercial colleague (SKPL). Economic utilisation of the resources (Personnel, Cars, Tools, Test Equipment etc.) Local customer Interface. Supervision of the contract set-up requirements (Licensing, Building Acceptance, Sub-Contracting Contracts) Personnel responsibility for locally employed staff assigned to ICM N Operations Localisation of resources Implementation of the local maintenance processes as per Implementation Guideline and contractual obligations Support in service effort calculation for local service tasks claim/change order management. Risk management Warehousing Repair and Replacement procedure Weekly and Monthly status reports to PMO, DOP.

To: Condor who wrote (42477)	12/6/2003 4:16:27 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

American companies cannot expect to profit from the benefits of being headquartered on American soil and then turn around & stab the American worker in the back by outsourcing their jobs offshore. That concept will not compute with U.S. citizens. Lou Dobb's reports are awakening Main St., USA to the greedy strategies of those very same American companies. He & all of us are identifying those businesses in order to boycott their products & make outsourcing even more difficult than keeping jobs within the homeland. As children we learn that we must suffer the consequences of our actions--it's a simple lesson most children learn at their parents knee, but many American CEOs and CIOs were evidently orphaned.