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To: unclewest who wrote (18713)12/5/2003 3:48:21 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793672
 
Atheism is attempting to rewrite how our Constitution is interpreted on a number of levels.


How so?



To: unclewest who wrote (18713)12/5/2003 4:00:20 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793672
 
One of the problems with total opposition is that you always have to take the other side. Clinton must be shaking his head.



Democratic Candidates See a Political Opening in Decision
By Matea Gold
Times Staff Writer

December 5, 2003

NEW YORK — The Democratic candidates vying to unseat President Bush next year quickly seized on his decision Thursday to lift tariffs on steel imports, seeing it as an issue that will give them a political edge in key steel-producing states.

Party strategists said rescinding the tariffs had jeopardized Bush's standing in Pennsylvania, Ohio and West Virginia — the country's top steel-producing states and likely battlegrounds in the 2004 presidential election. Combined, the states account for 46 electoral votes.

In the 2000 election, Bush carried Ohio by about 4 percentage points and West Virginia by about 6 percentage points. He lost Pennsylvania by about 4 percentage points. His decision to end the 30% tariffs on some foreign steel products that he imposed in March 2002 is sure to rankle steelworkers in each of the states, Democrats say.

"The president, unfortunately for him, made a major blunder," said Bill Carrick, a strategist for Missouri Rep. Richard A. Gephardt's presidential campaign. "He didn't have the guts to stick with his original position. I think it's going to leave an awful bitter taste in people's mouths."

Some political analysts cautioned that Democrats were overestimating the potential of one issue to influence the outcome of the presidential contest in the steel-producing states. They noted that Bush's stances on gun control, abortion and gay rights still resonate with socially conservative blue-collar voters in the region. And since becoming president, Bush has visited each of the states several times.

"Bush has simply spent a lot of time in these states, and the social issues still work to his advantage," said John J. Pitney Jr., professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and a former GOP operative.

But Democrats were confident Bush's move had given them an opening.

"I think it's going to provide plenty of ammunition to go after Bush," said Democratic pollster Mark Mellman, who works for Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign. "Here you have a situation where Bush is essentially agreeing to the exportation of more U.S. manufacturing jobs. That hurts."

Even as they criticized Bush's handling of the tariffs, however, the top candidates seeking the Democratic nomination split over their approach to trade, highlighting the fault lines in the party on the issue.

Gephardt and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, who have won the most endorsements from organized labor, voiced the strongest support for keeping the tariffs. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman is opposed to the tariffs, but argues that Bush could have done more to help the domestic steel industry. Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, who has not run for office before, avoided taking a specific stance on the tariffs.

Some analysts, meanwhile, warned that the issue won't necessarily benefit Democrats without some effort on their part.

"It may help somewhat, but they've got to translate it into some kind of meaningful message," said Ed Sarpolus, an independent pollster in Lansing, Mich. "They need to talk about what this means to union workers' pocketbooks and their families. They can't just say, 'Bush overturned the tariffs; vote for me.' "

Steel tariffs also present a complicated political calculation for Democrats.

In Michigan, another expected political battleground, the auto industry has vehemently protested the tariffs, which they said led to higher costs and layoffs.

"This is the type of issue that is very divisive," said Edward Gresser, trade policy director at the Progressive Policy Institute, a centrist Democratic think tank. "People in the steel industry are very vocally for it, and the auto industry is very vocally against it."

So for the most part, the Democratic candidates kept their criticism of Bush's decision focused more broadly on what they said was the president's failure to protect industries hurt by free trade.

"President Bush still has no strategy to help the 2.6 million manufacturing workers who have lost their jobs," Clark said in a statement. "We need a real strategy to help our manufacturing communities."

But a spokesman would not say whether Clark supported or opposed steel tariffs.

Lieberman suggested that Bush should have done more to push foreign steel competitors into fairer trade practices, among other measures.

"He put politics first when he imposed the tariffs, and now he's been forced to back-flip when confronted by life in the real world," Lieberman said in a statement.

Gephardt, who has been endorsed by United Steelworkers of America, argued that Bush should have asked the International Trade Commission to review whether the tariffs could be restructured in a way that would address objections raised by the World Trade Organization.

"The president's decision to prematurely lift the tariffs on steel imports severely undermines the recovery of the U.S. steel industry from decades of unfair trade practices that have jeopardized the viability of a vital domestic industry," he said in a statement.

Dean joined him in criticizing Bush's trade policies.

"Despite what President Bush may claim, the steel industry needs additional breathing room to get back on its feet," Dean said. "But the tariffs are a short-term solution to a larger problem: this administration's broken trade policy. Our trade agreements need to benefit workers, not just big multinational corporations."

Dean, Kerry and North Carolina Sen. John Edwards all supported lowering trade barriers in the past, but now say trade agreements need more worker and environmental protections.

Earlier this week, Kerry voiced support for maintaining the steel tariffs, saying, "Bush is cutting and running from his commitments to help working Americans."

Edwards did not specify his position on the steel tariffs, but took Bush to task for not protecting jobs.

"This president has done virtually nothing to protect American manufacturing jobs — not steel manufacturing jobs in Pennsylvania, not steel consuming jobs in Michigan, not textile jobs in North and South Carolina," he said.

latimes.com



To: unclewest who wrote (18713)12/5/2003 4:16:13 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793672
 
Easterblogg

EDWARDS: QUIT BEFORE YOUR TAIL IS BETWEEN YOUR LEGS: Congratulations to John Edwards, winner of the TNR Primary for November. Easterblogg's advice to Edwards: drop out now, so that your campaign ends on a high note.

Strange things could happen, but Edwards appears to have just shy of zero chance of winning the Democratic nomination, even if he prevails in the South Carolina primary. More important, Edwards shouldn't win the Democratic nomination. Edwards is a promising political leader, and may well be a potential president. But right now he's totally unqualified for the White House, his public-sector experience being a mere five years in the Senate, which is an important organization, but only a simulacrum of governance. (You give speeches and cast closely watched late-night votes, but countless Senate "decisions" are never enforced; when they are, somebody else carries out the policies, makes the hard calls and takes the responsibility.)

George W. Bush came to the presidency with, like Edwards, tremendous political talent and personal appeal. The big worry about Bush was his public-sector inexperience. Sure enough, Bush immediately made mistakes, based on inexperience, from which his administration still has not recovered--such as needlessly dissing our European Union allies.

John Edwards may be president someday, but he needs far more public-sector experience--especially executive experience, running a state or an agency, not just Senate experience issuing Olympian statements. One test of suitability for higher office is awareness of one's own shortcomings. Edwards, if self-aware, would drop out the Democratic race now and concentrate on gaining the experience required for a more serious candidacy four to twelve years in the future.

tnr.com



To: unclewest who wrote (18713)12/6/2003 12:49:14 AM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793672
 

Geez you correct me and Boykin and insist this is not a religious war than tell me we are fighting Islam.
I do believe that is exactly what Boykin suggested.

I said that we are fighting fundamentalist Islam, a fanatical fringe movement that spun off from Islam. It is not a religious war because it is not a case of one religion fighting another. This is not a fight between Christianity and Islam, or between Christianity and fundamentalist Islam. It is certainly not a fight to determine which of the two Gods is “bigger”, one of the most spectacularly stupid notions to cross the public sphere in a long time. It is a fight between a doctrine-driven totalitarian movement and everybody who values freedom. The same could be said of the fights against communism and fascism, or any other movement that demands unquestioning acceptance of doctrine.

Fascism and communism are not religions.

The differences are so minimal as to be unworthy of mention. Fascism could be described as fundamentalist nationalism. In each case we have the insistence on unquestioning acceptance of doctrine, and in each case we have absolute control by an unaccountable leadership. One of them demands fealty to the party, one to the great leader, one to the great leader’s imaginary friend. What’s the difference?

Many other movements, fundamentalist environmentalism for example, have adopted so many characteristics of religion that the differences are no longer significant.

Atheism is attempting to rewrite how our Constitution is interpreted on a number of levels. Will you join us in resisting that too?

Maybe, if you cite an example. I have yet to see any indication that organized atheism exists as a political force.