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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ed Huang who wrote (4016)	12/5/2003 11:23:04 PM
From: calgal	Respond to of 22250

Richard Z. Chesnoff A shared Holy Land is bum idea: Palestinians would soon overwhelm Israel jewishworldreview.com \| Recent rumblings that a binational Palestinian-Israeli state may be the answer to the Mideast mess are just dangerous nonsense. The idea sounds good: Both sides stop fighting, form one state of two peoples and three faiths and share the rule of a multicultural, multireligous Holy Land. Then everyone lives happily ever after. Problem is, they won't. With the possible exception of Switzerland, multinational countries are flops. I'm not talking about melting pots like the United States, but lands where sectors of the population want their own national and/or religious identity. Sharing control over the character of a nation is a guarantee of bloodshed down the road. Just consider Cyprus, Lebanon, Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Northern Ireland, to name a few. How much more so in the Holy Land. The Palestinians, whose own nationalism is relatively recent, are the primary rejectionists of the Jewish state. At best, it's because they realize Israel is too strong to defeat - for now. That's where the binational idea comes in. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Then, with time and a soaring birthrate, you outnumber 'em and defeat 'em. What's fascinating is that the idea is being broached by three distinct groups: Some Palestinians are suggesting it for the same reason they always have suggested it: It's a sure way, ultimately, to eradicate the Jewish state. Israeli left-wingers warn that it's going to happen unless Israel makes rapid concessions to the Palestinians and withdraws from Gaza and almost all the West Bank. At current rates, they warn, the Arab population of the areas Israel controls will outnumber the Jewish population by 2013. A bloc of right-wing Israelis is calling for a binational state to include the West Bank and Gaza and granting Israeli citizenship to all Palestinians who want it. It would mean dismantling Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority, and it would preclude the formation of a Palestinian state. Proponents of this idea argue that a system of cantons would limit Palestinian electoral power so that the Jews always would be in political control. That's just another formula for bloodshed. The best answer: End the terrorism and negotiate a deal for two separate states. If you can't beat 'em, make peace with 'em. jewishworldreview.com

To: Ed Huang who wrote (4016)	12/6/2003 4:45:19 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 22250

Re: ...the majority Europeans still see Israel as the greatest threat to the world peace. Oops... But tell me, Ed, who once said: "The Arabs got the oil but we've got the match..."?? Of course, most Europeans view Israel as the world peace's foremost threat, not because of Israel's own military and economic clout but because of the ominous leverage she wields in the US... Somehow, the world looks like a car driven by an 800-pound American gorilla who's himself guided by the Israeli backseat driver AND THAT's a threat to world peace. Moreover, you should also keep in mind that just because CNN, the NYT, Al-Jazeera and (French daily) Le Monde spin the OBL/Al-Qaeda spiel around the clock, it doesn't mean that public opinion buy that crap!! How come we haven't heard of a single opinion poll on the credibility of the official "bin-laden-al-qaeda" theory? You Yanks --but Europeans too-- keep polling people all the time... We are overwhelmed by daily polls and opinion surveys on the most futile subject --from Lady Diana to Frankenfood to "who killed JFK?" to... you name it. Yet, so far, we've never been asked "Do you really think OBL is the arch-enemy of civilization?" or "do you really swallow the al-qaeda crap hook, line and sinker?" So far, no TV crew, no investigative journalist --except CIA hacks like Th. Meyssan et al.-- has been allowed to conduct (and broadcast) a free, thorough enquiry on 911, including interviews with eyewitnesses in NY, Wash. DC, Pentagon employees, etc. Again, just compare the current blackout on 911 with the cornucopia of TV shows, books and reportages on the assassination of JFK, the Warren Commission,.... Hence the anxiety among European opinion as we ask ourselves, if Judeofascists can freely engage in terrorism and blackmailing around the world --including the US-- then... who'll ever check them???? Australia was reluctant to join the US-UK forces in Iraq? BANG! A bomb blows up an Indonesian resort with 180 Aussies inside... and PM Howard got the message. The Brits want to coax a fair deal for the Palestinians? Warning #1: Lord Levy and his wife got molested in their London house.... the Brits don't get the message and they even side with the French on the issue of Iran's nuke program!!!! That's too much for Bloody Sharon: the British consulate and HSBC office are bombed in Istanbul.... The Yanks had better recall the late French Prez Mitterrand's witticism: L'intelligence est la chose la mieux partagée au monde... quant au courage, c'est autre chose! Gus