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To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (43)	12/6/2003 2:11:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 190

Interesting debka headline: Mubarak has faint chance of delivering Palestinian ceasefire consensus by Dec. 9 as he promised Bush. Palestinians delegates in Cairo want sweeping prior concessions from Israel. Jihad Damascus and Gazan leaders opt any of any truce. Senior Israeli sources: Cairo agenda internal Palestinian affair. Preparations for Sharon-Abu Ala meeting go forward. I don't know how many tight spots Israel has been saved from because the Palestinians are such political morons. All they need to do is agree on a hudna, then claim they've implemented Step 1 of the Road Map (which calls for a supression of terrorism, not a brief cease-fire in it), and they would put some real political pressure on Israel. But they can't even agree to do that, even with Mubarak mediating.

To: Eashoa' M'sheekha who wrote (43)	12/6/2003 3:50:19 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 190

' 6. Why should people in the rest of the world have any right to shape what happens in Israel/Palestine? Isn't this a violation of their sovereignty? Answer: Israel was created by a vote of the United Nations, and as an act of affirmative action which imposed on the Palestinian people a refuge for world Jewry with a principle of "right of return" for Jews that was not granted to non-Jews. Creating Israel as a state for a particular ethnic/religious group, the UN participated in creating a situation which has led to the dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and their subsequent families now number over three million people, many of them living in some of the worst conditions that exist any place on this planet. The peoples of the world have a right and obligation to rectify the unjust consequences of their previous acts by creating a Palestinian state that encompasses almost all of the West Bank and Gaza. The UN has passed numerous resolutions calling for ways to rectify the injustice done to the Palestinian people. Israel and the U.S. have blocked the implementation of these resolutions. 7. Does the Geneva Accord abrogate the Right of Return for Palestinians? Answer: The Geneva Accord is meant to support the continued existence of Israel as a state with special responsibilities and "right of return" for Jews, and Palestine as a state with special responsibilities and "right of return" for Palestinians. It is based on the following reading of the political map: any calling for a Right of Return for Palestinians to the State of Israel at this point would be perceived by Israelis as essentially calling for an end to the Jewish character of the State of Israel, and would doom all the other points of an agreement, and hence would guarantee continuation of the Occupation indefinitely....' tikkun.org The indigenous must give up a great deal to be left in peace, they have to sign over for all time the majority of useable lands, accept being cut up into little bantustans, learn to live quietly in the long-term crosshairs of those guns .... they could take a lesson from mexicanos, who for over a century and an half have had the majority of their nation occupied, and yet do not teach their children to blow themselves up ..... make love not war, and you produce babies not bodies .... it works - in recent years their invaders have even largely ceased the practise of robbing and murdering natives for the crime of breathing while brown