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To: stockman_scott who wrote (32329)	12/7/2003 11:11:31 AM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

"It's Dean." and The media cycle of 'the inevitable Dean nomination' is going to last until someone - presumably and preferably Clark - shows signs of closing the gap on him. In the sense that it's his to loose, I agree that Dean already has the nomination. Can he loose it? Surely. But if he doesn't stumble, I don't think anyone else can win it. It's a matter of time, money and momentum. Interestingly, this is in large part because the Clinton (New Democrate) wing of the party decided they wanted a front loaded primary season, and now their candidate (Clark) just doesn't have the time to "catch fire". A question in my mind - is Dean peaking too soon? Say he wins the nomination before St. Pats day. For the hard core Demos, ABB (Anybody But Bush) is fine. But for the middle political third of the country, who usually don't get fired up about an election until it is imminent, it will be - Dean who? And you can bet that Rove will be happy to provide an answer. If the Demos suffer some "Buyer's Remorse", we could have the election decided before Memorial Day. OTOH, the election is almost a year away - and that's a long time in politics. Consider a year ago, with the Admin pontificating that the inability of the UN inspectors to find WMDs was proof that Saddam was hiding them. After all, von Rumsfeld "knew" exactly where they were. And Bush, Cheney et al, in speech after speech, by careful choice of words, consistently linked Iraq and 9-11. All with a compliant press never exhibiting a scintilla of doubt in the validity of these now discredited theses. So given the length of time between now and the election, and the fact that it's twin hinges (the economy and Iraq) can still swing in unexpected ways, it's a little early to be calling the election yet - no matter who the candidates are? JMO lurqer

To: stockman_scott who wrote (32329)	12/7/2003 11:25:42 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

s2@theDemsWillNeedTheRightCandidateToBeatTheBushMachine.com- the contest to find who that will be... is underway. it's called the democratic primary. the one who attracts the most democratic voters wins. it's not a contest to see who can attract the most republican voters. clark might win that one... or maybe lieberman. but like it or not, anyone who wants, above all else, to beat the bush machine is going to have to vote for the democrat. i know how it feels to vote for the lesser of two evils, i've done it most of my life and i'll be doing it again... if i voted for the candidate i most align with philosophically, it would be CMB or possibly DK. the reason i'm supporting dean is because he's humble, and flexible enough... and has enough vision... to let his citizen supporters run the campaign and i'm counting on him to carry that over into his administration and let the citizens -- instead of politics and special interests -- help him run their own country. what a concept. are we ready for participatory democracy? do we trust the citizens of the united states enough to give ourselves that kind of power? i don't know. but it seems fair to me. we will reap what we sow. i can live with that ...or die from it. -elkarmicjusticesupporter@discoverychannel.com