To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (62 ) 12/7/2003 3:49:51 AM From: marcos Read Replies (1) | Respond to 'it omits Arab violence ' - it explains arab violence ... figure it out - how many zionist buses did the arabs blow up before the zionists left Europe? .... an hundred ten years ago there was no great struggle between indigenous and zionists - what is your first clue as to why not? .. do you think it utter coincidence that at the time the arabs happened not to feel threatened by the march of an expressly jewish state? Was the USSR a religious state? Was Nazi Germany? ' - yes they were, very much so ... be not deceived by the purported secularism of their self-labelling - many of the twentieth century -isms and especially those two were definitely religions, they had their prophets and their scripture and their gods and their mindless followers .... those two nations were Whackenstaats, beyond a shadow of a doubt in my view, and how anybody can draw meaningful distinction between them and admittedly religious states is beyond meThe Israelis have done far, far better than the Jews who moved to any of those places. ' - you are mixing up time periods here, or else wrapping in those other nations greatly effected by wwii, not sure ... oh well, moving on -they decided to take their fate into their own hands and have self-determination for the Jewish people ' - oh yeah for sure, and, ahem, they did so on other. people's. lands. ... wonderful solution, really thinking ahead there ehif Zionism would have been okay just in Jerusalem, which was indigenously Jewish? ' - i'm not clear on what portion of Jerusalem was continuously jewish for a period pre-1900, but as for what was, then sure why not .... it would depend though on just what form that zionism would take, and on what it would perceive as its rightful territory .... probably not cool to include say Alexandria and Damascus in the urban vision, and wrapping Mecca into municipal boundaries against the will of its residents would be distinctly unwise ..... do you see a pattern here, see where this is leading? - your right to swing your fist ends where the other fellow's nose begins, and in this particular case the other fellow's nose ended somewhere between Jerusalem and Deir Yassin, for sureBut all this is pointless. Israel exists. Deal with it. ' - uh-huh, back to the core of it, aren't we, the raw power thing, might makes right because we've got the guns and they don't, q.e.d. ..... the inevitable destination of this conversation, when somebody takes the time to respond to you to this extent .... well, one does what one can ... cheers
