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To: bentway who wrote (505364)	12/7/2003 3:26:38 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Jesus was nothing you couldn't become you really should watch how you speak about Jesus. Scripture is very clear about who Jesus is and He has been with the Father from the beginning. Satan, the father of lies, is holding you as Alqaida held AlJazeera....not a good thing. I'm sure, were he alive today, he disown you Jesus IS alive and sitting at the right hand of God, and your petty little judgements mean nothing to me. Jesus says: "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." As Jesus prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. "I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. "Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

To: bentway who wrote (505364)	12/7/2003 3:35:33 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 769670

there is nothing becoming about prolife 'tho hope springs eternal.

To: bentway who wrote (505364)	12/7/2003 9:59:15 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

There is no evidence proving the church “doctored” the Scriptures to support the deity of Christ. There were many forgeries floating around during the 4th century Arian controversy, but they were easily identified as forgeries because of earlier textual witnesses. The Rev. 1:11 reference found in the later Textus Receptus and not in other manuscripts does not jaundice belief in the divine nature of Christ because the teaching is quite clearly affirmed in Rev. 1:8, 1:17, 2:8, 21:6 and 22:13, all of which are found in the earliest texts. The teaching of Christ’s deity is also found in the fourth Gospel, wherein it is quite clearly declared that Christ is the Logos, Who in the beginning was with God and was God, by Whom all things were made. That teaching exists in the earliest manuscripts. The apostle Paul also taught the divinity of Christ in his epistles to the Ephesians, Colossians and Philippians. The teaching is present in all of the earliest texts. We also find the teaching in extra-biblical writings, proving that not only did the very first Christians believe it, but also that later catholicizing Christians accepted it. We find it in the Letters of Ignatius and also in Pliny’s writings, where he records that early Christians chanted hymns to Christ as God. The church from the very beginning acknowledged Christ as God because of the clear teaching of the scriptural texts, recorded from the apostles. The issue did not become a matter of controversy until the 4th century because the church rarely, if ever, dwelled on so abstract an issue as the relationship between matter and Spirit. That discussion started in the Eastern Church due to its tendency to rationalize the mystery of a Human-Diety union, a tendency that arose because the scholarly centers of the known world at the time existed chiefly in such places as Alexandria and Antioch. Arius was of the Eastern tradition and was very influential in the school at Alexandria.