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To: elmatador who wrote (42794)	12/9/2003 12:17:17 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Respond to of 74559

>>Time scale is thousands of years<< Which time scale? For human-induced climactic changes? Melting of ice caps? Factually incorrect. >>Scientists looking for a bribe are a terrible lot<< Yes. It's horrible and most deplorable. >>While not defending screwing up the environment, man's effect is much smaller than environment little.<< Factually incorrect again - assuming I understand what's meant by "smaller than environment little". For anybody (including you, elmat) who wants to get a balanced idea of what's going on, see sciencemag.org Modern Global Climate Change Thomas R. Karl1 and Kevin E. Trenberth2 Modern climate change is dominated by human influences, which are now large enough to exceed the bounds of natural variability. The main source of global climate change is human-induced changes in atmospheric composition. These perturbations primarily result from emissions associated with energy use, but on local and regional scales, urbanization and land use changes are also important. Although there has been progress in monitoring and understanding climate change, there remain many scientific, technical, and institutional impediments to precisely planning for, adapting to, and mitigating the effects of climate change. There is still considerable uncertainty about the rates of change that can be expected, but it is clear that these changes will be increasingly manifested in important and tangible ways, such as changes in extremes of temperature and precipitation, decreases in seasonal and perennial snow and ice extent, and sea level rise. Anthropogenic climate change is now likely to continue for many centuries. We are venturing into the unknown with climate, and its associated impacts could be quite disruptive. Science had a 4-week series on The State Of The Planet sciencemag.org Whoever likes to get into arguments and win them, whatever side he or she takes, should read this. At least to avoid the danger of stepping on a rake in a form of a knowledgeable counterpart, who did his homework. For instance Message 19574593 and the ref therein provides a balanced idea about the next 50 years in terms of population. Something that unfortunately got published a month or two too late for our knowledgeable discussion of issues such as migration from Bangladesh to say Montana (g). Regards dj

To: elmatador who wrote (42794)	12/9/2003 12:17:20 AM
From: Snowshoe	Respond to of 74559

Denial is a river in Africa. It starts in the Ruwenzori Range (Mountains of the Moon), where the glaciers are melting rapidly.