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To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (19139)12/8/2003 11:11:44 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793670
 
No one needs to be free to publish pornography or any of the other garbage foisted on our culture in the name of free enterprise.

We fought this battle in the courts for years, Ann, and the Censors lost. Just no way to do it that works.



To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (19139)12/9/2003 2:01:09 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793670
 
Good rundown from Sullivan.


THE GORE MOVE: Sorry to be flip yesterday. On a more properly serious note: the Gore endorsement is, I think, a Very Big Deal. Above all, it reveals the real struggle within the Democratic Party. In 2000, Gore broke decisively with Clinton and the center. Some say this was pure expediency or just Shrummery. I actually think it was genuine. Gore has emerged in these last few years as a real left-wing populist. He wants to soak the corporations, enlarge the welfare state, raise taxes and stand up for minority civil rights. He's also a Bush-hater for understandable personal reasons. A man who has spoken for MoveOn is a natural Dean supporter and his endorsement, when you think about simply the issues, is an obvious one. What you are seeing among the Democrats right now is therefore a classic right-left split, with the Clintons representing the right (and the party establishment) and Dean emerging as a left-wing threat to their power (using the web to foment his peasants' revolt). Gore ran against Clinton last time (it's what lost him the election, in my view); and it makes perfect sense for him to join the anti-Clinton insurrection now. Hillary's positioning as a hawk might even have been a pre-emptive strike against Gore-Dean. So we have a real ideological split here, and the future of the Dems as a mainstream party is at stake.

THE POLITICS: What's in it for Gore? As John Ellis points out, a lot. You have to remember that just because almost everyone else on the planet thinks Al Gore's political career is over, Al Gore doesn't. By endorsing Dean now, he stands to get a major job in a potential Dean administration. Secretary of State? Supreme Court Justice? Who knows what elaborate scenarios Gore has been contemplating in his own mind. And if Dean goes down in flames (which must surely be the likeliest eventuality), Gore has allied himself with the energized, leftist Democratic base, and could position himself in 2008 as the real soul of the party - unlike that centrist opportunist, Senator Clinton. In fact, the minute after a Bush re-election, the Gore-Clinton struggle for control of the party begins again in earnest. To my mind, this is somewhat delusional of Gore. No sane political party would ever give him another chance at the presidency, after he threw it away with such spectacular incompetence in 2000. But all politicians have to be a little delusional; and Gore is nothing but a politician. For Dean, this kind of endorsement helps build momentum toward inevitability. And it also marks the first time that a major establishment figure has essentially blessed the new forces of web-based anti-war upper-middle-class activism that has propelled his candidacy. Gore, of course, helps with blacks, for good measure, a group now indispensable to any chance the Dems have next year. So there you have it: the left-wing take-over of the Democrats continues apace. And only the Clintons can stop it.

WHO ELSE WINS? Of course, one problem with the Gore-Dean juggernaut is that it makes an anyone-but-Dean candidacy more likely to emerge at some point. Clark was the obvious option, but he's so bad a candidate I can't see him pulling through on a centrist message (especially since he's been getting shriller and shriller on the stump). Kerry ... oh, never mind. Lieberman could have done it, but Gore's knifing him in the front rather knocks that scenario into the delete file. Edwards? He's run by far the most appealing campaign to my eyes, but he cannot hope to compete in the big leagues yet, especially with the kind of flattening momentum Dean now has. So Gore manages both to set himself up for 2008 and dent a few potential rivals at the same time. Smart and bold.
andrewsullivan.com



To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (19139)12/9/2003 7:46:38 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793670
 
Bush critics live in their own worlds

December 7, 2003

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

For two years now, it's been apparent that increasing numbers of us are living in entirely self-created realities. For example, when I switched on the TV the other day, I saw President Bush being warmly received at Thanksgiving Dinner in Baghdad. By contrast, Wayne Madsen, co-author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II, saw a phony stunt that took place not at dinner time but at 6 a.m.

''Our military men and women,'' he insisted, ''were downing turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie, and non-alcoholic beer at a time when most people would be eating eggs, bacon, grits, home fries, and toast.'' Warming to his theme, Madsen continued, ''The abysmal and sycophantic Washington and New York press corps seems to have completely missed the Thanksgiving 'breakfast dinner.' Chalk that up to the fact that most people in the media never saw a military chow line or experienced reveille in their lives. So it would certainly go over their heads that troops would be ordered out of bed to eat turkey and stuffing before the crack of dawn.''

Madsen's column, ''Wag The Turkey,'' arose, it quickly transpired, from reading too much into an a.m./p.m. typo in a Washington Post story and an apparent inability to follow complex technicalities like time zones. But, when Brian O'Connell wrote to Madsen pointing out where he'd gone wrong, the ''investigative journalist'' stuck to his guns: ''It's all a secret of, course, so no one will ever know,'' he concluded, darkly. For those in advanced stages of anti-Bush derangement, it will remain an article of faith for decades that the president made the troops get out of bed at 6 in the morning so he could shovel pumpkin pie down them.

Now consider Amr Mohammed al-Faisal's take on the same ''little skit'' (his words) for Saudi Arabia's Arab News: ''Instead of a dainty starlet trotting in to entertain the troops,'' he wrote, ''lo and behold, it was George Bush . . . Now, dear readers, you mustn't laugh at the Americans; remember they are our friends and allies.'' Al-Faisal then proceeds to explain that the Saudis need to find the Americans ''a face-saving exit out of Iraq.'' But ''before we lift a finger to help,'' the Americans must meet certain conditions, among them:

''The halt to the vicious campaign of hatred and lies propagated in the U.S. against Saudi Arabia. Administration officials starting with President Bush himself must spare no occasion to praise Saudi Arabia and inform the American people how lucky they are to have us as allies.

''The release of all Saudis detained in the U.S. or in Guantanamo Bay into Saudi custody.''

Really. While you're at it, why not demand every freed Saudi gets a couple of ''dainty starlets'' of his choice for the plane ride home? The appeasers in the House of Saud, to paraphrase Churchill, fed the crocodile in hopes that it would eat him last. But the croc got hungry and couldn't wait: Right now the bombs are going off in Riyadh, not New York, and Bush has indicated, in his Whitehall speech and elsewhere, that the Saudi regime in its present character has outlived his usefulness. But, if you were one of the various deluded factions in the House of Saud, the fact that the streets outside the palace are not full of folks doubled up howling with laughter at al-Faisal's column might well bolster your view that the lid can be kept on the al-Qaida pot and that spreading around a few more millions in Washington might breathe another couple years' life into the old the-Saudis-are-our-friends routine so many retired American diplomats like to do on Nightline and CNN.

But once in a while, even those in the most hermetically sealed alternative universes enjoy a day trip to reality. On Sept. 11, Rowan Williams, the archbishop of Canterbury, happened to be in New York, a couple of blocks from the World Trade Center. Made no difference. The archbishop is worldwide head of the Anglican Communion and, when he's not wrestling with gay bishops in New Hampshire and gay marriage in British Columbia, he occasionally has a spare moment to deal with non-gay issues. To Williams, the Americans' liberation of Afghanistan was ''morally tainted,'' an ''embarrassment,'' and an example of the moral equivalence between the USAF and the suicide bomber, both of whom ''can only see from a distance: the sort of distance from which you can't see a face, meet the eyes of someone, hear who they are, imagine who and what they love. All violence works with that sort of distance.''

Last month, the archbishop happened to be in Istanbul and was a guest at the home of the British consul, Roger Short. Within a few hours of his departure, Short was dead, vaporized in the wreckage of an almighty bombing. Williams sounded momentarily shaken, expressing ''shock and grief'' at the death of his host, and condemning ''these vicious and senseless attacks. These acts of violence achieve nothing.''

In fact, ''these acts of violence'' achieve quite a bit. Why, only a month earlier similar acts of violence had led the archbishop to make a speech at the Royal Institute for International Affairs at which he'd argued that terrorism can ''have serious moral goals.'' ''It is possible to use unspeakably wicked means to pursue -- an aim that is intelligible or desirable,'' he said. By ignoring this, America ''loses the power of self-criticism and becomes trapped in a self-referential morality.''

Perhaps Williams would like to explain what precisely is the ''serious moral goal'' of the men who killed his host.

One reason George W. Bush comes on a bit strong about ''evildoers'' and so forth is that the archbishop of Canterbury and any number of the Western world's great and good have rendered less primal language meaningless in this sphere: When Williams condemns terrorism as ''vicious and senseless,'' that's just the mood music of the evening news. When he says ''these acts of violence achieve nothing,'' what he means is that his ''shock'' stops at the end of the sound bite; whether or not the terrorists ''achieve nothing,'' he intends to do so.

Will the archbishop's recent run-ins with reality shake him from his equivalist pap? Islamic terrorism is a beast that has to be killed, not patted and fed. The Palestinians use children as human shields and as human bombs. Would it be too much to expect the archbishop, instead of bleating about ''serious moral goals,'' to dust off, say, Matthew 18:6 and offer up something about how it would be better if these fellows shoving their kids into the suicide-bomber belts hung the old millstone round their necks and drowned in the sea? Or will we have to wait for such Bushesque ''self-referential morality'' till His Grace is brushing the plaster from his cassock after his next close shave?

suntimes.com