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To: GraceZ who wrote (42808)	12/9/2003 4:39:06 AM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 74559

Agreed.... in many ways it is much more meaningful to work than sit in a classroom daydreaming while you're supposed to learn abstract thinking before you can plant a seed. What are arms and legs for anyway... sitting at a desk watching the teacher write 2+2= 4 on the black board, and if you're lucky actually have 4 apples on her desk [more likely has them drawn on the blackboard]???? How about learning math outside, or in the garden by picking berries with your god given body and dividing them up [you might actually learn division FIRST, because that's the way real life works in that instance! MY GOD! LOL] ... and then EAT THEM... [subtraction... look, now we each have 3!]. Or bringing the sheep in... "Oh, there should be 12, how many are missing?" Naw, that makes too much sense, let's make 6 year olds think and do abstract problems instead of using their arms and legs [those will fall off in a couple thousand years anyway]... then at about age 35, anxiety ridden and waking up in cold sweats they can learn yoga, start to meditate and learn to stop thinking! ROFLMAO! DAK

To: GraceZ who wrote (42808)	12/9/2003 6:04:18 AM
From: jrhana	Respond to of 74559

Nice post Grace I have always learned a lot from working-including the most menial of jobs

To: GraceZ who wrote (42808)	12/9/2003 6:40:47 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Grace, Thanks for sharing that personal story. It was quite a good read. When you commented on the problem of "Mommy's boys" who never leave the nest, I was reminded of the the campaign that Bill Gates, Sr. is on to fight against the crazy notion that Republicans have that we eliminate estate taxes in the hope of creating a whole parasite class of privileged aristrocrat brats in the U.S. who won't ever have an opportunity to have the satisfaction of job well done, or a profession well tended to. They'll be too busy lording it over the rest of us.

To: GraceZ who wrote (42808)	12/9/2003 11:00:25 AM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Grace, That is a nice summary of what I wanted to say about this issue. I was a child labor in my family to help my father in the farm and mother in the kitchen, that too without any explicit pay!. It is not considered as child labor in my village. We also had a lot of play time and fun with other kids almost every evenings. As you put it, some times it is a willingly accepted challenge and joy to emulate what adults do. I also worked as a child labor to earn money during my summer vacations. Though my father would sometimes discourage me and expect me to spend more time with school books, I learned a lot about the value of hard work and money during those formative years. So people vouching against child labor without understanding the situation are monday morning quarterbacks IMHO. So, in the meantime an entire generation or two of children learn to become hard-hearted survivors & inflict the emotional deprivation of such a childhood on others. My mother grew up on a farm. She was expected to work from the time she could walk. When my mother told stories about her childhood on the farm she spoke of it as if it was some wonderful joyous place. I don't doubt is was a hard life, but she loved it and she missed it. My father who lived in the city was expected to work from the age of nine. He was out at 3 am selling newspapers on the street corner. Never once did he speak with bitterness about these things. He was taught from an early age that men were expected to work and contribute to the family finances, so he worked. ....