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Politics : Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the New World Order -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (205)	12/9/2003 10:12:16 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 512

Sidney, Re: Population control is a central policy of the NWO. They believe that the planet is over taxed by people. Some studies have labeled people as a form of pollution on the planet. The ideal world population has been pegged at 3 billion. I must be a radical. I believe the ideal and sustainable carrying capacity for this finite planet is no more than 1 Billion human resouce destroyers. But rather than war and disease, I'd prefer radical birth control to be humanity's only hope to save itself, from itself.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (205)	12/10/2003 10:12:01 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 512

An excellent esposition on demographics has been made in several programs by Ben Wattenburg on his show "Think Tank". He's interviewed several experts, whom I listened to from the POV you mentioned, cognizant of the confluence of interests by folks in American eugenics/Nazis/others, and other dark as well as well-meaning efforts. The most fascinating thing was that the growth curve is NOT headed towards catastrophe, but by all accounts to a max of about 50% more than the current in mid-century, then a steady decline. The decline is already a big worry by countries with declining population. In the worst places, like Africa and Asia, the rate is rapidly normalizing. I agree -- the whole pivot is whether powerful people involved have any morals or regard for human life. If not, mass genocide inevitably happens. The only protection is full disclosure of what any and all of these public organizations, the US and the UN, are doing, in legislation, but more importantly, in technology and covert operations. FWIW, I've got a diametrically opposite view to what my brother (who used to be a member at Berkeley of Zero Population Growth!) had, or Ray has today. My view is that we can handle 3x or even 5x the current pop, judging by non-Malthusian metrics, new tech for using desert and ocean areas in the next 100 years. The more the merrier, since IMO there's a collective intelligence that improves with size (if we avoid going collectively insane of course) More sci-fi is my fervent hope that we get globally healthy enough to build off-world structures. At current rates, in 400 years we'll need that, and we'll have 100 X the current world GDP, and 10,000X the technical capabilities, therefore it will be possible to construct Pournelle Rings. These are structures in orbit around the Earth (or in a vastly larger mode, the Sun) that can contain unlimited populations, and be the equivilent of the New West expansion, to hundreds of billions or even trillions. The materials used are already known to be in orbit, and its less a scientific as an engineering and budget challenge.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (205)	12/13/2003 2:34:33 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 512

A GREAT flick is "No Maps for These Territories", a documentary talking to William Gibson, on IFC (ifctv.com). Gibson says organized religion sounds more like a franchise of some sort. "It's like a chicken franchise. In a chicken franchise, you still get chicken." But words don't fit the job, and churches are kind of like apes making noises that sound like "god", but have nothing to do with the experience. And, to your point, these meaningless words then get twisted into all manner of logical inconsistencies, like kindness into killing, etc. Prince William of England said in a book something like, "I want to come back as a virus, and kill lots of people". That sort of thing, among powerful and culturally-deficient amoral people, is the problem. If we can't give those who gravitate to NWO type organzations a sense of humanity, at least expose them and take away their power to summarily and secretly cause damage.