To: IngotWeTrust who wrote (19758 ) 12/11/2003 5:46:28 PM From: sea_urchin Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 81101 Tutor > ---- you surprise me! How can that be? You know me for so many years and I can still surprise you. That's amazing. > I thought perhaps in some warped sense of fair play you'd permit me to post the following on "your" thread. It's not "my" thread, I just happen to be here and make the most noise. And you are more than welcome to come any time and make as much noise as you would like. > Call it the "cup is half full" or pollyana...but it is an example of the truth I chose to hear: I have no idea whether what you have posted is truth, half-truth or simply US government propaganda? How can anyone know? The proof of the pudding, however, will be when another of the present US regime's mythological objectives has been achieved and that is when a "democratic" government is in place. I presume that will be a government "of the people, by the people, for the people" and not a bunch of neocon stooges. When true democracy happens I may be willing to review my position but certainly not before. However, I have my doubts whether I will live so long as to be able to see that. Iraq/Babylon has been a nation for thousands of years, in fact, civilization was born there. It certainly doesn't need an recent upstart, like the US, to tell it how to rule itself. For my own part, the end does NOT justify the means. In fact, unilateral, and unprovoked, aggression never can be justified. The Iraqi "war" was illegal, pure and simple and any way one looks at it. It was in violation of international law and treaties and, even more importantly, in contravention of the principles achieved at Nuremburg --- to which the US was not only party but a prime-mover. In fact, what the US did in Iraq was, and still is, no different to what Nazi Germany did in Europe. The US moved into a sovereign nation without even declaring war and without an Act of Congress. Iraq did not declare war on the US, in fact, it didn't even lift a little finger against the US. Now, whether by a process of rationalization, the present US regime tries to justify its occupation of Iraq, it simply cannot. The blood of Iraq is on America's hands. And, unfortunately, it always will be. Rose, you surprise me! Time to remove the blinkers --- or is it the "rose-colored" spectacles?!