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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2956)	12/12/2003 3:52:27 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

I thought the military is part of the Govt. They take their cue from the WH, and anything they put out is sanctioned by the WH. Or else, wouldn't the WH require the military to retract that?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2956)	12/12/2003 7:33:00 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

Howard Dean's experiments on children December 12, 2003 By Cliff Kincaid While Howard Dean is a Northeastern liberal, he's no Michael Dukakis. So says William Kristol of the Weekly Standard, writing in the Washington Post about Dean's chances to win in 2004. In 1988, the former Massachusetts governor lost to George H.W. Bush after being branded a dreaded "Massachusetts liberal." By contrast, the media have labeled Dean a "conservative" or "centrist" on some issues. But the truth about Dean's embrace of the radical homosexual agenda could put the former Vermont governor on the far, far left side of the political spectrum, even beyond the liberalism of Dukakis. For this reason, it's a safe bet that the liberal media will try their best to keep this explosive story in the closet. Oreste Valsangiacomo Sr., a Democrat who served 30 years in the state legislature, has written that Dean was a key member of a sophisticated campaign that implemented the homosexual agenda in the state over a period of many years. Equally significant, Dean strongly supported Outright Vermont, a group luring young people into homosexuality. Dean met with its leaders and sponsored state funding of the group. What's more, Dean appointed homosexual Bill Lippert, Outright's founder, as a state representative in July 1994 to fill a vacancy in the legislature. As detailed in a letter to the Rutland (Vermont) Herald, Valsangiacomo said that the strategy continued to unfold when Lippert was appointed as vice chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and helped produce the legislation recognizing homosexual "civil unions" and granting marriage benefits to these "couples." Dean went behind closed doors to sign it, keeping the date and time of the signing a secret from legislators and the press. Dean and Lippert would embrace in victory. It was the first such bill in the nation. Meanwhile, Outright, which received state money under Dean to conduct "diversity workshops" in schools, came under fire for homosexual advocacy. State Rep. Carl Haas said that voters in Vermont regarded this matter as even more troubling than homosexual unions. He was quoted in the Rutland Herald as saying, "What people were really concerned about was that we had people going into the schools sanctioning homosexuality." In a column almost two years ago, Stanley Kurtz of the Hudson Institute said he also found "growing alarm" about Outright Vermont during a visit to Dean's state. He found notices on bulletin boards in a high school for the school's gay-straight alliance advising students to go to a website that directed them to "homosexual pornography." Going beyond homosexuality, the March 2003 issue of Outright Vermont's newsletter features an article about a Vermont youth who enjoyed attending a "True Spirit Conference" held in Washington in February and meeting people known as FTMs. These have undergone "female-to-male" physical experiences that involve surgery to remove breasts and the taking of hormones and testosterone. The conference featured "chest reconstruction surgery" and "chest surgery show and tell" workshops. Under Dean's tenure, Outright Vermont received state funding from the Vermont Department of Health and additional funds from the Ben & Jerry's Foundation and the Samara Foundation of Vermont. Lippert serves as the executive director of the Samara Foundation, in addition to continuing to serve in the legislature. Valsangiacomo told me that he won't talk in detail about Dean's pro-homosexual agenda and the secret meetings he held to make it a reality in Vermont until the former governor wraps up the Democratic nomination. He did say that he is strongly supporting President Bush's re-election. But in that letter in the Rutland Herald, he traced the pro-homosexual campaign to a private Nov. 7, 1993 meeting of 12 Democrats and several homosexuals at the home of the chair of the state Democratic Party committee. He maintains it actually went back further, noting that Playboy ran a 1972 article, "Taking Over Vermont," about a "blueprint" by two Yale University activists for homosexuals and other radicals and leftists to move into the state and transform it politically. Some of this may sound fantastic, but the fact is that Dean's Vermont has become more liberal than Massachusetts. Vermont, which boasts the only openly socialist member of Congress, Rep. Bernard Sanders, beat Massachusetts to the punch on "gay" marriage. It's true that Dean is no Dukakis. In fact, Dean may be more liberal (and more vulnerable) on the critical social issues. Now with the support of Al Gore, Dean is in the process of "taking over America." With the help of the media, who support his radical agenda, he could succeed. But his success will depend on concealing the facts about Dean's homosexual experiment – and how he has used young people as sexual guinea pigs. worldnetdaily.com

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2956)	12/13/2003 10:48:50 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 3959

Why Gore's Backing Dean By Dick Morris It's payback time for Al Gore. Dissatisfied at how thoroughly forgotten he is among active Democrats and resentful of all the attention Sen. Hillary Clinton, his White House rival, is getting, Al has reportedly decided to flank the Clintons by backing Howard Dean for president. Forget the November election. The fight we are witnessing is a battle for control of the Democratic Party. In one corner stand the Clintons, sending contender after contender out to center ring in an effort to stop Dean from taking over their party. First Joe Lieberman came limping back. Then Wesley Clark ran away from the early primaries and forfeited the match. And now John Kerry is so far behind in New Hampshire that he is down for the count. In the other corner is Dean, backed by Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and now Gore, battling to take the party away from Hillary and craft a new Democratic left. Rejecting Clintonian, Democratic Leadership Council-style moderation, Dean and Gore are letting their liberalism hang out as they garner popularity on the left. The tail is taking over the dog. One-third of Americans are Democrats. One-third of the Democrats are liberal activists backing Dean. And now they are dictating policy to the entire party. Dean has mobilized this new power to get power; now Gore is using it to get his relevance back. Hillary, anxious to keep pace in the move to the left and stay the leader of the party, goes to Iraq and on the talk shows to bolster her image as a liberal, living down her vote for the war resolution. She sees the decade-long reign of sanity in the Democratic Party leadership coming to an end and is determined to make it in the brave new world. Enter Al Gore. Robbed of the presidency (in his view), he has been sidetracked by the Clinton machine that once lifted him from the dustbin of history and made him vice president. Has anybody thought of Al Gore in the past six months? Apparently Dean has. Their common cause: independence from Hillary and Bill. Gore likely knows that Dean won't win. But by backing him, he begins to carve out his own identity in the post-Bill Clinton, post-moderation post-sanity Democratic era. Or maybe he just wants to be vice president again? cagle.slate.msn.com

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2956)	12/14/2003 11:04:24 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

Saddam hid under vegetables 'like a rat' December 14, 2003 - 11:17PM Head of the Constitutional Monarchy Movement al-Sharif Ali bin al-Hussein said former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was hiding "like a rat" in a vegetable storage house when he was arrested. "They (US soldiers) dragged him from under vegetables. He did not resist. He was hiding like a rat under vegetables. *"This is evidence that Saddam has nothing to do with the resistance taking place in Iraq," al-Hussein told al-Jazeera television.* He added that Saddam was hiding alone and was in a "terrible state" when he was arrested. DPA This story was found at: smh.com.au

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2956)	12/15/2003 5:15:34 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 3959

Told you so: the EU is gradually morphing into a UNE() of sorts --well, at least the UN does have a charter ( un.org ) whereas Europe just scrapped Giscard d'Estaing's constitutional draft..... France and Germany to be core of a closer EU 'Two-speed Europe' looks more likely as Brussels meeting to hammer out constitution for integration fails to reach agreement By Stephen Castle in Brussels* 15 December 2003 A multi-speed Europe with France and Germany at its core appeared possible last night, as Paris and Berlin vowed to press for closer integration despite the collapse of talks on the EU constitution. A group of "core" countries is ready to sign a declaration supporting the constitutional text drawn up by the former French president Valery Giscard d'Estaing, which failed to win approval at the acrimonious Brussels summit. Four of the EU's six founder members - France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg - have lined up behind the declaration, and efforts are under way to bring the other two founders, Italy and the Netherlands, on board. This group will be boosted by others, including Greece and EU newcomers Hungary. Diplomats are trying to entice the UK. Britain's support would probably be conditional on banking progress made in negotiations over Britain's "red lines" on keeping national vetoes. The crisis over the weekend is giving fresh impetus to France and Germany's drive towards closer bilateral integration. One possibility is that the two countries could announce plans to combine or co-ordinate their diplomatic staffs, another that they would draw up plans for integration of judicial systems. The German Chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, spoke of a "two speed" Europe, while the French president, Jacques Chirac, talked of a "pioneer group". The Belgian premier, Guy Verhofstadt, said if the situation does not evolve in the next few weeks, it will be clear the founding members "will ask themselves how to push forward European integration". The areas where co-operation could be boosted are limited. And, with EU leaders battling hard to overcome the divisions brought about by the Iraq crisis, such talk provoked a sharp response from the Spanish premier, Jose Maria Aznar, who said that he hoped that "no country will take measures to try to divide Europe". The emerging pattern is likely to be more complex than a crude two-speed model. Mr Chirac said his vision was of closer co-operation among groups of nations which would be open for all EU countries to join, and which would operate within the EU's treaties. Already these allow for some nations to integrate more closely. For example, 12 of the 15 EU countries have adopted the euro, and Britain and Ireland have opted out of the Schengen passport-free travel zone. While the UK is outside these initiatives, it is keen to participate in a plan for defence co-operation. One of the few positive elements of the weekend summit was an agreement between the UK, France and Germany on defence, suggesting an enlarged EU will encompass a number of sub-groups. Nations such as France and Germany will be inside all areas of co-operations - the core of all cores. More sceptical nations such as Britain would take part in some and opt out of other areas. Such a solution would avoid the creation of new structures. It would also blur divisions between nations with first and second class status. Even the founding members of the EU are anxious to avoid such clear demarcations. As he wound up the summit, Silvio Berlusconi, the prime minister of Italy (which holds the EU presidency until the end of the year), said he is "not a supporter of an initiative of the six founding nations". Jean-Claude Juncker, the Luxembourg premier, also said he could not accept the creation of an EU hard core in the short term. "Two-speed Europe could only come as a result of persistent disagreements," he said. news.independent.co.uk (*) Message 18348213